zombieslayer
14 years ago

I'm not debating the original point (I agree).

But I am curious...what was the defensive ranking of the other 10 SB winners?

"Wade" wrote:



There were several 6s and 7s. Very few outside the top 10, although there were some.
My man Donald Driver
UserPostedImage
(thanks to Pack93z for the pic)
2010 will be seen as the beginning of the new Packers dynasty. 🇹🇹 🇲🇲 🇦🇷
zombieslayer
14 years ago
Updated:

#1 Ds:
66 Packers
69 Chiefs
72 Dolphins
73 Dolphins
78 Steelers
82 'Skins
84 Niners
85 Bears
90 Giants
96 Packers
00 Ravens
02 Bucs
03 Pats
08 Steelers


#2 Ds:
74 Steelers
75 Steelers
81 Niners
86 Giants
91 'Skins
93 Cows
95 Cows
04 Pats
10 Packers

#3 Ds:
67 Packers
89 Niners
05 Steelers

#4 Ds:
68 Jets
99 Rams

#5 Ds:
70 Colts
79 Steelers
92 Cows


My man Donald Driver
UserPostedImage
(thanks to Pack93z for the pic)
2010 will be seen as the beginning of the new Packers dynasty. 🇹🇹 🇲🇲 🇦🇷
mi_keys
14 years ago
For comparison's sake I figured I'd contribute the offensive ranks for winners. I'm just checking the league standings from pro-football reference for total offensive points and for 1966-1969 I'm including the AFL.

#1
71 Cowboys
72 Dolphins (also #1 defense)
79 Steelers
89 49ers
91 Redskins
94 49ers
96 Packers (also #1 defense)
97 Broncos
99 Rams
09 Saints

#2
77 Cowboys
84 49ers
85 Bears
92 Cowboys
93 Cowboys
98 Broncos
06 Colts (tied with the Super Bowl losing Bears lol*)

#3
68 Jets
78 Steelers
83 Raiders
95 Cowboys

#4
69 Chiefs
76 Raiders
87 Redskins (tied with the Super Bowl losing Broncos)
04 Patriots

#5
66 Packers
73 Dolphins
75 Steelers

#6
70 Colts
74 Steelers
01 Patriots

#7
80 Raiders
81 49ers
88 49ers

#8
86 Giants

#9
05 Steelers

#10
10 Packers

#12
82 Redskins (Interestingly, they had the #1 offense the next year, and lost)
03 Patriots

#13
67 Packers

#14
00 Ravens
07 Giants

#15
90 Giants

#18
02 Buccaneers

#20
08 Steelers (this is why I don't rate Roethlisberger, "does just enough to win" for the Steelers is "does just enough to not suck, or suck if you want it really doesn't matter your defense will carry you")



Not surprisingly, six of the eight teams that finished outside the top 10 in scoring offense had the #1 defense. The two exceptions were the 67 Packers with the #3 defense and the 07 Giants with the #17 defense and they sure as hell didn't play like the #17 defense against arguably the most dangerous offense ever assembled.

So Super Bowl champions are well represented among the top offenses in the league, but not as well represented as defenses have been. 17 Super Bowl winners have had either the #1 or #2 offense compared to 24 #1 or #2 defenses. Almost half, or 8 of those 17, occured in the 90s alone. Yet, the very next decade there were 5 outside the top 10. So given what Zombie has dug up I'd say that defense has been clearly more important in every decade except the 90s.





*Devin Hester had 2 kickoff and 3 punt returns for touchdowns and the defense had 1 pick six and 2 fumble returns for touchdowns. That's 56 points or 13% of their offense (56/427). Never mind the 44 turnovers they forced in total. Without it they would have been tied for 8th with the Jaguars. You know I could never give the Bears credit.
Born and bred a cheesehead
Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago

(this is why I don't rate Roethlisberger, "does just enough to win" for the Steelers is "does just enough to not suck, or suck if you want it really doesn't matter your defense will carry you")

"mi_keys" wrote:



Yep. He turned in one of the worst statistical performances in a Super Bowl, ever, a game in which his wide receiver Randle El threw the team's lone TD pass.

In the playoffs this year, his passer rating was in the 70s. He threw four touchdowns and four interceptions.
UserPostedImage
mi_keys
14 years ago

(this is why I don't rate Roethlisberger, "does just enough to win" for the Steelers is "does just enough to not suck, or suck if you want it really doesn't matter your defense will carry you")

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



Yep. He turned in one of the worst statistical performances in a Super Bowl, ever, a game in which his wide receiver Randle El threw the team's lone TD pass.

In the playoffs this year, his passer rating was in the 70s. He threw four touchdowns and four interceptions.

"mi_keys" wrote:



I know, career in the Super Bowl he has 3 tds and 5 ints with something like 500-600 yards. In 180 minutes in the Super Bowl he has been awful for all but 5 or so of them. He might well have had another 20 something rating if Shields and Woodson had not got hurt in the 2nd quarter.
Born and bred a cheesehead
zombieslayer
14 years ago
Thanks for doing this Keys.
My man Donald Driver
UserPostedImage
(thanks to Pack93z for the pic)
2010 will be seen as the beginning of the new Packers dynasty. 🇹🇹 🇲🇲 🇦🇷
mi_keys
14 years ago
You're welcome Zombie. I enjoy anything that involves football and putting off my homework.
Born and bred a cheesehead
wpr
  • wpr
  • Preferred Member
14 years ago
defense does win championships. Or at least keeps a game very very close.
UserPostedImage
Dulak
14 years ago

The two exceptions were the 67 Packers with the #3 defense and the 07 Giants with the #17 defense and they sure as hell didn't play like the #17 defense against arguably the most dangerous offense ever assembled.

"mi_keys" wrote:



hmmm is this the same year the belicheat got 'caught' cheating and video taping coaches for the signals and calls? ... ya remember the packers game?
Fan Shout
wpr (19-Apr) : 5 days
beast (18-Apr) : 6 days
wpr (17-Apr) : 7 days
Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : sounds like Packers don't get good compensation, Jaire staying
dfosterf (16-Apr) : Nobody coming up with a keep, but at x amount
dfosterf (16-Apr) : Trade, cut or keep
dfosterf (16-Apr) : that from Jaire
dfosterf (16-Apr) : My guess is the Packers floated the concept of a reworked contract via his agent and agent got a f'
Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : Yes, and that is why I think Rob worded it how he did. Rather than say "agent"
dfosterf (16-Apr) : Same laws apply. Agent must present such an offer to Jaire. Cannot accept or reject without presenting it
Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : I'm thinking that is why Rob worded it how he did.
dfosterf (16-Apr) : The Packers can certainly still make the offer to the agent
dfosterf (16-Apr) : Laws of agency and definition of fiduciary responsibility
dfosterf (16-Apr) : Jaire is open to a reduced contract without Jaire's permission
dfosterf (16-Apr) : The agent would arguably violate the law if he were to tell the Packers
Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : That someone ... likely the agent.
Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : So, Jaire has not been offered nor rejected a pay reduction, but someone says he'd decline.
Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : Demovksy says t was direct communication with someone familiar with Jaire’s line of thinking at that moment.
Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : Demovsky just replied to me a bit ago. Jaire hasn't said it.
dfosterf (16-Apr) : Of course, that depends on the definition of "we"
dfosterf (16-Apr) : We have been told that they haven't because he wouldn't accept it. I submit we don't know that
dfosterf (16-Apr) : What is the downside in making a calculated reduced offer to Jaire?
Zero2Cool (15-Apr) : Packers are receiving interest in Jaire Alexander but a trade is not imminent
Zero2Cool (15-Apr) : Jalen Ramsey wants to be traded. He's never happy is he?
Zero2Cool (15-Apr) : two 1sts in 2022 and two 2nd's in 2023 and 2024
Zero2Cool (15-Apr) : Packers had fortunate last three drafts.
dfosterf (15-Apr) : I may have to move
dfosterf (15-Apr) : My wife just told the ancient Japanese sushi dude not enough rice under his fish
Zero2Cool (14-Apr) : I think a dozen is what I need
dfosterf (14-Apr) : Go fund me for this purpose just might work. A dozen nurses show up at 1265 to provide mental health assistance.
dfosterf (14-Apr) : Maybe send a crew of Angels to the Packers draft room on draft day.
Zero2Cool (14-Apr) : I am the Angel that gets visited.
dfosterf (14-Apr) : Visiting Angels has a pretty good reputation
Zero2Cool (14-Apr) : what
Martha Careful (14-Apr) : WINNING IT, not someone else losing it. The best victory though was re-uniting with his wife
Martha Careful (14-Apr) : The manner in which he won it was just amazing and wonderful. First blowing the lead then getting back, then blowing it. But ultimately
Zero2Cool (12-Apr) : I'm guessing since the thumb was broken, he wasn't feeling it.
dfosterf (10-Apr) : Looking for guidance. Not feeling the thumb.
Mucky Tundra (10-Apr) : If they knew about it or not
Mucky Tundra (10-Apr) : I don't recall that he did which is why I asked.
Zero2Cool (10-Apr) : Guessing they probably knew. Did he have cast or something on?
Mucky Tundra (10-Apr) : Did they know that at the time or was that something the realized afterwards?
Zero2Cool (9-Apr) : Van Ness played most of season with broken thumb
wpr (9-Apr) : yay
Zero2Cool (9-Apr) : Mark Murphy says Steelers likely to protect Packers game. Meaning, no Ireland
Zero2Cool (8-Apr) : Struggling to figure out what text editor options are needed and which are 'nice to have'
Mucky Tundra (8-Apr) : *CHOMP CHOMP CHOMP*
Zero2Cool (2-Apr) : WR who said he'd break Xavier Worthy 40 time...and ran slower than you
Mucky Tundra (2-Apr) : Who?
Zero2Cool (2-Apr) : Texas’ WR Isaiah Bond is scheduled to visit the Bills, Browns, Chiefs, Falcons, Packers and Titans starting next week.
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2024 Packers Schedule
Friday, Sep 6 @ 7:15 PM
Eagles
Sunday, Sep 15 @ 12:00 PM
COLTS
Sunday, Sep 22 @ 12:00 PM
Titans
Sunday, Sep 29 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Sunday, Oct 6 @ 3:25 PM
Rams
Sunday, Oct 13 @ 12:00 PM
CARDINALS
Sunday, Oct 20 @ 12:00 PM
TEXANS
Sunday, Oct 27 @ 12:00 PM
Jaguars
Sunday, Nov 3 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Sunday, Nov 17 @ 12:00 PM
Bears
Sunday, Nov 24 @ 3:25 PM
49ERS
Thursday, Nov 28 @ 7:20 PM
DOLPHINS
Thursday, Dec 5 @ 7:15 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 15 @ 7:20 PM
Seahawks
Monday, Dec 23 @ 7:15 PM
SAINTS
Sunday, Dec 29 @ 3:25 PM
Vikings
Sunday, Jan 5 @ 12:00 PM
BEARS
Recent Topics
19-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

17-Apr / Random Babble / wpr

16-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

13-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

12-Apr / Feedback, Suggestions and Issues / Zero2Cool

11-Apr / Feedback, Suggestions and Issues / Rockmolder

2-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

2-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

1-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

1-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

31-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

30-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

29-Mar / Random Babble / wpr

28-Mar / Random Babble / Martha Careful

26-Mar / Random Babble / Mucky Tundra

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.