State of the Union· Page 7

Wade
Veteran Member

13 years ago

...how do we get the good teachers in there & keep them there?

"vikesrule" wrote:

That is an interesting and yet difficult question.

Much alike other things in life, and especially when you are dealing with people, there is a disparity among teachers.
Some are good, some are mediocre, and some are downright bad.

One of the best things that I learned when I taught at a college,
was that just because you know something, does not mean that you can teach it.
Teaching, in my belief, is an occupation that is not just an occupation.
To be good at it you must have a passion to not only teach, but to guide and even learn from the students as well.

I have worked in the "Ivory Tower" that is the world of academia (aka college).
And while I have a few letters that I can put after my name (not quite at Wade's level :icon_smile: ),
they don't mean squat when comes to the actual ability to teach.

I have two issues with education that pertain somewhat to your question:
#1 Tenure - This is the academic version of union seniority. Nothing to do with one's ability, just longevity
#2 Pay Disparity - Take the teacher in a rural school vs an overpaid, under worked, long tenured college professor.
I'm not saying that the college professor shouldn't be paid more, they should be, but the disparity is obscene.
Especially when you consider the "student contact time" or lack thereof with many college professors.
I won't even go into sabbaticals, that really pisses me off.

I'm afraid that I did not do much to address your question 4packgirl, but the rant felt good. ::wink:

"4PackGirl" wrote:

Well, of course I'm going to disagree about salary, since clearly *I* am underpaid for my level of (in)competence. :)

And I do disagree about sabbaticals, at least the old fashioned "recharge batteries" kind rather than the "accomplish research objectives" one. Though I don't think it should be limited to those in the academy.

And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2 (NKJV)

Formo
Veteran Member

13 years ago

#62

You broke ass bastards (VR, DakotaT, etc.) would do good to take note. =)

"DakotaT" wrote:

You think I'm a broke welfare case?

Sorry Formo - I don't view Fox news as gospel and certainly am not going to base political veiws by being spoon fed my opinion by the wealthy backers of the GOP. People like that are called pawns, don't let the reflection hit you in the ass.

My opinions in politics are based more in what's right and wrong from an ethical standpoint of being a decent than in lining my pockets. How anybody can blindly follow the GOP, DEMS, or TEA BAGGERS and just swallow rhetoric is astonishing. There are issues I am very conservative on and there are other issues I am liberal with. Rush, Jeff Beck and O'reilly will never make up mind for me on anything - but there are a lot of things I agree with them on.

"Formo" wrote:

You don't pay any attention to what I say do you?

In that case,

Snarffle woop dee funk nutcka bing dong slammy.

Thanks to TheViking88 for the sig!!

vegOmatic
Registered

13 years ago

#63

You broke ass bastards (VR, DakotaT, etc.) would do good to take note. =)

"DakotaT" wrote:

"Formo" wrote:

What's right? It's right for people to take food off my table because the world owes them a living?

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DakotaT
Select Member Topic Starter

13 years ago

#64

What's right? It's right for people to take food off my table because the world owes them a living?

"vegOmatic" wrote:

You let people steal food off your table? I thought we were provided services for the taxes we pay. Last time I checked we weren't speaking Chinese or Arabic either.

zombieslayer
Registered

13 years ago

#65

Seriously, you're absolutely nowhere without a college diploma these days.

"Rockmolder" wrote:

Funny you say this. My very first boss at a software company never finished his high school diploma. Didn't go to college. Retired at 25.

(I heard he's gone back to work though because he was bored).

My man Donald Driver

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Rockmolder
Honored Member

13 years ago

#66

Seriously, you're absolutely nowhere without a college diploma these days.

"zombieslayer" wrote:

"Rockmolder" wrote:

I can't speak for American. I haven't ever been there.

I do know that the smartest person I know is my supervisor in a supermarket, making close to minimum wage.

Thing is this, you'll have a couple of those succes stories. Guys who started with nothing, dropped out of school and build an imperium. Most get stuck in dead end jobs, though.

And there's nothing wrong with that. I love the guy in my example and if he's happy with his work, all the more power to him.

I love my family and not one of them has a higher education.

Most of them have jobs like being a paviour, low end government jobs etc.

Again, there's absolutely nothing wrong with those jobs. I'm that there are people who do it. I just do know that, every single person I know who doesn't have a college diploma hasn't made it very far, career-wise.

zombieslayer
Registered

13 years ago

#67

"Rockmolder" wrote:

Well, you just said it Rock. What really matters is liking your lot in life.

The guy in your example is happy. Who cares if it's dead end?

Heck, I make a lot of money. I'd trade half my salary to be a Penthouse photographer. That would be more rewarding than a software engineer.

Funny a right-wing whacko like me saying this, but there are more important things than money.

My man Donald Driver

(thanks to Pack93z for the pic)
2010 will be seen as the beginning of the new Packers dynasty. 🇹🇹 🇲🇲 🇦🇷

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