Rockmolder
13 years ago
1. 28/42 - 66,7% - 423 yards - 10.1 avg - 4 TDs - 1 Int - 121,4 QB Rating.

Offense puts up 45 points.

2. 18/27 - 66,7% - 180 yards - 6.7 avg - 3 TDs - 0 Ints - 122,5 QB Rating.

Offense puts up 21 points.

Number one is a bad QB with the monkey on his back of just knacking under the pressure in the play-offs. A player who just can't win (in his 2nd year starting).

Number two is some kind of god who's balls we should all slobber on becaue he just won against the Eagles.

It really makes no sense.
musccy
13 years ago
+1 to brnt247 and rockmolder, my thoughts exactly. He had a good but not great game vs. the Eagles, but is a win all that it takes to validate him as quarterback royalty?

Is Bjack a HOF rb since he just happened to be on the 45 man roster of a team that happened to win a playoff game?!?
peteralan71
13 years ago
It's about time that an analyst realizes that he had an amazing game last year against the Cards, and if the defense had done what they did all season, the game would have been an absolute blowout. Rodgers played phenomenally in both of his playoff games, the only difference was the defense.

It should be noted however that Starks opened it up a LOT of Rodgers. The guy can play. Hopefully now all of the haters out there for this whole season, you know who you are, will realize that there is something behind all of this talk about Starks.
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peteralan71
13 years ago

+1 to brnt247 and rockmolder, my thoughts exactly. He had a good but not great game vs. the Eagles, but is a win all that it takes to validate him as quarterback royalty?

Is Bjack a HOF rb since he just happened to be on the 45 man roster of a team that happened to win a playoff game?!?

"musccy" wrote:



I wouldn't necessarily say that he didn't have a great game. He had much less passes and passing yards, because we had a running game. This is why the passer rating is very valuable. It can take a small sample and grade just as well as a large sample. Look at the stats that Rockmolder put up, for example. You would think that he had a much better game last year because he had more yards and more TD's. However this year his success was quantitatively smaller, the passer rating was just slightly better because what he DID do, he did it very well. Since we had a running game, we didn't have to rely on him so much this year. But when we called on Rodgers, he excelled.
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Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago
True, although his yards per attempt was phenomenal against the Cards and slightly below average against the Eagles. But yes, overall, it was a superb performance.
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Rockmolder
13 years ago
Nr. 1 is the statline of a QB who's carrying a team.

Nr. 2 is the statline of an efficient QB. One who doesn't have to win it by himself, but just has to manage the game.
musccy
13 years ago


I wouldn't necessarily say that he didn't have a great game. He had much less passes and passing yards, because we had a running game. This is why the passer rating is very valuable. It can take a small sample and grade just as well as a large sample. Look at the stats that Rockmolder put up, for example. You would think that he had a much better game last year because he had more yards and more TD's. However this year his success was quantitatively smaller, the passer rating was just slightly better because what he DID do, he did it very well. Since we had a running game, we didn't have to rely on him so much this year. But when we called on Rodgers, he excelled.

"peteralan71" wrote:



By no means am I saying he had a bad game. His pocket presences was as good as ever, he moved well, kept plays alive, was accurate...all the usual stuff.

I'm just saying relative to some of his other performances, he wasn't as vital to the Packers success (thanks to Starks, defense) yet THIS is the game that gives the media wood for Rodgers?!? Morons!
peteralan71
13 years ago


I wouldn't necessarily say that he didn't have a great game. He had much less passes and passing yards, because we had a running game. This is why the passer rating is very valuable. It can take a small sample and grade just as well as a large sample. Look at the stats that Rockmolder put up, for example. You would think that he had a much better game last year because he had more yards and more TD's. However this year his success was quantitatively smaller, the passer rating was just slightly better because what he DID do, he did it very well. Since we had a running game, we didn't have to rely on him so much this year. But when we called on Rodgers, he excelled.

"musccy" wrote:



By no means am I saying he had a bad game. His pocket presences was as good as ever, he moved well, kept plays alive, was accurate...all the usual stuff.

I'm just saying relative to some of his other performances, he wasn't as vital to the Packers success (thanks to Starks, defense) yet THIS is the game that gives the media wood for Rodgers?!? Morons!

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Hahaha great point. That is my "burn" on analysts, is that they constantly miss things are are glaringly obvious.
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zombieslayer
13 years ago
I haven't been on his bandwagon since day 1, but since the Cows game in 2007. As awesome as Favre was that year, Rodgers looked like a pretty dang good backup in case Favre went down again.

Then in 2008, Rodgers was excellent as a starter and hasn't disappointed since.

The thing is, he's only 27. I won't say his prime yet as the prime for a QB is around 30. It would be awesome to get his first ring this year before his prime as he's only going to get better. Here's to hoping we have Aaron, TT, MM, and Dom Capers on the same team for the next 5+ years. My only fear is that some other team will give Dom an offer he can't refuse.
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musccy
13 years ago

. My only fear is that some other team will give Dom an offer he can't refuse.

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This is a thread I've been thinking about starting, but anywho, the hiring of Rivera with Fox, Gruden, and Cowher still floating around seems very encouraging, and obviously the deeper the Packers can go in the playoffs, the better.

Denver is apparently waist deep in their search already and although I heard Dom's name in one rumor, since then Fewell and the OC from StL have become leading candidates. I've heard Cle is heavily leaning towards Fox, so it's looking promising that we will retain Dom for at least 1 more year!
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