gbpfan
16 years ago
i feel we should run more,with grant and wear down the williams brothers.that could open up allot more opportunity's. :icon_smile:
dfosterf
16 years ago

I don't want to start another thread, but would just like to point out it would be really nice if we also had the capacity to STOP a running game against any team that actually has one.

...bad mood I guess.

"IronMan" wrote:


We CAN stop the run.
read this 

"dfosterf" wrote:



Soon as I saw the onion in the url I knew I'd be in a better mood.

+1'd ya for it.
warhawk
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16 years ago

i feel we should run more,with grant and wear down the williams brothers.that could open up allot more opportunity's. :icon_smile:

"gbpfan" wrote:



For whatever reason we seem to run it alright against the Vikes when on paper it would look like that wouldn't happen.

I think the Vikes D is overrated anyhow considering before the season they were supposed to have like the best defense in the league. Hardly close when you consider the Bears put up 48 on them.

They are what they have been in the past. Pretty stout against the run and lousy against the pass. I think we are probably one of the last teams they would want to play this week personally.
"The train is leaving the station."
IronMan
16 years ago



This system WILL result in more negative plays than other systems because of the slight delay of the RB in the backfield BUT will also reward a team with more upside for bigger gains when the RB does find that crease.

"warhawk" wrote:


In 8 games we have had 2 running plays over 20 yards. Which is last  in the NFL.
warhawk
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16 years ago



This system WILL result in more negative plays than other systems because of the slight delay of the RB in the backfield BUT will also reward a team with more upside for bigger gains when the RB does find that crease.

"IronMan" wrote:


In 8 games we have had 2 running plays over 20 yards. Which is last  in the NFL.

"warhawk" wrote:



So? I didn't say we've run it to perfection I am simply pointing out what it is designed to do. Besides, last year I remember I guy in Green and Gold running away from a lot of defenders for big gains.....and most of them in the second half of the season.
"The train is leaving the station."
Since69
16 years ago



This system WILL result in more negative plays than other systems because of the slight delay of the RB in the backfield BUT will also reward a team with more upside for bigger gains when the RB does find that crease.

"warhawk" wrote:


In 8 games we have had 2 running plays over 20 yards. Which is last  in the NFL.

"IronMan" wrote:



So? I didn't say we've run it to perfection I am simply pointing out what it is designed to do. Besides, last year I remember I guy in Green and Gold running away from a lot of defenders for big gains.....and most of them in the second half of the season.

"warhawk" wrote:



You're right warhawk, that is how the ZBS is designed to work. It's just not working for us, as our dearth of explosive runs attests. Either we don't have the right guys for it, or we're just not committing to it and allowing it to work. (I think the latter is far more likely.) This hybrid scheme we're running isn't getting the job done. The team has to decide - zone-block or don't - and get to work. Personally, I'd vote for "don't", but I think either choice would work better than "all of the above".
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packersfan101101
16 years ago
The packers current run scheme (what you mention..) would work if the packers had a speed back. Ryan grant is fast but in my opinion not quick enough to make that cutback. I think the pack would be more successful by creating the hole first, then allowing grant to run through it. I would much rather see grant getting 5 yard run, 4 yard run, 6 yard run, 5 yard run etc... then 10 yard run. -1 yard run, 8 yard run, 1 yard run etc.. i would rather see consistency
brandon jackson is amazing
longtimefan
16 years ago
how many games into a season does this line have to "gel"

last year it took 7 or some games..

this year same fucking thing

something is wrong and I am getting tired of it..
dfosterf
16 years ago
This article originally appeared in 2006. It is still a good one.

by Brian Hook, FootballOutsiders.com

Denver running backs seem to remain Denver running backs for life ? possibly because they have a nasty habit of suffering devastating injuries while a Bronco. Terrell Davis, Mike Anderson, Olandis Gary, Reuben Droughns, Quentin Griffin, and Tatum Bell have had almost all of their career carries as Broncos. The only player in recent memory that has gone from Denver to another team and achieved significant carries in both locations is Clinton Portis.
Zone Blocking

For those of you unfamiliar with the Denver offensive line scheme, they use a technique known as "zone blocking". In a "man" or "drive" blocking scheme the lineman is responsible for an individual, and the play is designed for a running back to hit a particular gap. The zone blocking scheme, on the other hand, has a lineman blocking an area instead of a designated defensive player. If multiple linemen are blocking an area than one can break off and block into the second level.
The offensive line typically moves as a unit laterally, and the result of their blocks should create some natural seams or gaps in the defensive formation. The running back is responsible for finding a hole, making a cut, and then running upfield. One of the key tenets of the Denver system is that the running back takes what he can get ? he should never dance around waiting for a hole to open. He needs to be agile, authoritative, and possess good instincts. Nothing fancy, just try to gain positive yardage.
A final element of the zone blocking scheme is the use of the much hated cut block to seal off backside pursuit. This means that any linemen on the backside of the play cut block defensive players in front of them, which drops the defensive players to the turf and, oddly enough, opens up holes for the running back. Note that the cut block is legal in this case, as long as the offensive lineman isn't hitting the defender from behind and as long as he doesn't roll up on his legs. But hitting him below the knees near the line of scrimmage is fair game, as much as the NFLPA doesn't want it to be.
Obviously getting defenders on the ground is one benefit of the cut block, but an intangible benefit is that defenders start worrying about their knees and ankles. They lose a bit of their aggression and speed since they're paranoid that some lineman is going to creep up on them and take out their legs. This has the benefit of slowing down the entire defense.
For the record, Joe Pendry claims that his zone blocking scheme doesn't rely on cut blocks. Given Davis's performance, he might want to reconsider that stance.
Summary
The "Denver system" isn't a magical pill that a team can swallow to generate 1500 yard rushers with consistency, but obviously it has been successful for running backs in Denver. One reason it has not been widely adopted is time: it takes time to teach, time to master, and time to get the smaller, more agile offensive linemen that the system requires. If you take zone blocking and try to implement it with 340 pound behemoths, you will probably fail, and for better or for worse, 340 pound behemoths are what you'll find on a typical offensive line in the NFL.
IronMan
16 years ago

some things we need to accept


What we need to accept is our offensive line is bad and needs to be fixed. What I will not accept is the fact that it is year 3 and we are still talking about "pad level", and "fundamentals" That tells me that our players just aren't very good.

Fix it already or get some players in here that can perform at a higher level.
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