musccy
13 years ago
it's not a fluky stat. It's indicative of the deficiencies with this group. They've been awful in KO coverage all year...and if another team has a strength, you don't allow them to exploit it. Why was Coughlin bitching out his punter at the end of the game today? He kicked straight to Jackson.

I can't believe we're discussing this. Honestly, which has a higher probability of taking the ball to the 40, 50, hell, your own 5 yard line? Kicking to an fat OL or the starting KR with a 26 yard return avg?
BangTheDrum
13 years ago
You just presented an offensive lineman kick return stat, that, in itself is ridiculous... And squibbing has a huge likelyhood of being returned to the 40 yard line at least because it's a squib! That is potentially where it lands... lol... I just wanted to play on your assumption that Tate was goijg to return it 26 yards, tis all, arguing about this kind of thing is stupid because many people have many different views about football and how it should be handled... You and I my friend, don't agree
UserPostedImage
Ba da da, Ba dadada GO PACK GO
dhazer
13 years ago
Ok Bang how is this, Crosby kicks the ball deep to say the 5, Tate gets his 25 to 27 yd average return. The Pats have the ball at the 30.

Now what they did was squibbed the ball to an offensive lineman who grabs the ball at the 25 and has it covered up right away waiting to be tackled for the first 10 yards and and the Packer players just went right by him. He should have been tackled no farther than the 35. It was the right choice to squib it. Watch it for yourself he is looking to be tackled for the first 10 yards. He is just not wanting to fumble it. Also watch the Packers and they just kind of trot along like oh well he will get tackled.

[youtube]ufkHymQEuqc[/youtube]
Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be 🙂 (PS, Zero should charge for this)
UserPostedImage
gbpfan
13 years ago
it was awful Peprah said it was his fault,they were surprised he had the ball,and he should have tackled him and didn't ,s.t have been bad just do don't think,that is what he should have done.
musccy
13 years ago
Thanks for the vid hazer. One thing you notice in the replay is that in the amount of time it took Connolly to get from the NE 25 to the 35 I could have eaten a sub and read "A Tale of Two Cities" 2.5 times.

We kicked to one of the slowest guys on the team and he toasted us. It's extremely embarassing, but I don't see how in the hell that's a coaching error rather than an error in execution.
Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago
Or they coulda, y'know, kicked it out of the end zone and given it to them on the 20.

20 < 26 << 73
UserPostedImage
musccy
13 years ago
What are the odds that Alge Crumpler or one of the other offensive linemen returns it 73 yards? I'm guessing pretty low since it never happened before in NFL history.

A pick 6 < a completion...pretty stupid for Mike to call the "throw it to James Jones" play.

Can we cherry pick a few more plays today to criticize due to the unlikely consequence/outcome rather than the reasoning behind it?
Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago
I don't like squib kicking period, musccy. Field position is perhaps one of the least-appreciated elements of strategy (from a statistical perspective), particularly against an offense like the Patriots'. Why give up any yardage unnecessarily? Pin them as deeply as possible. That's one of the reasons why I'm so much in favor of going for it on 4th-and-goal from the 1. From a statistical perspective, a team is much less likely to mount a scoring drive from the 1 yard line than whatever line they start at after a kickoff or punt return.
UserPostedImage
Since69
13 years ago
I love squib kicks. I'd rather put the ball in the hands of fullback or offensive lineman at the 30 than a kick return specialist at the 10 (which is about as far as Crosby's kicks go, BTW).
UserPostedImage
musccy
13 years ago
I completely agree on the field position which is my point.
We lost 2 more ST guys before/during the game (Zombo, Collins) and have been pitiful all year. If a 300 pound linemen gashes us, what gives you more confidence in kicking to a guy with a 26 yard average?

I see your point about kicking it out of the endzone, but the only time I recall them trying was when they were playing the other direction, so I'm speculating wind played a factor in that decision.
Fan Shout
Martha Careful (6h) : I hope it is colder than a well-diggers ass on Thanksgiving night.
Zero2Cool (14h) : doubt he wants to face the speedsters
beast (14h) : Dolphins offense can be explosive... I wonder if we'll have Alexander back
Zero2Cool (16h) : No Doubs could be issue Thursday
Mucky Tundra (20h) : Bears. Santos. Blocked FG
Zero2Cool (24-Nov) : Bears. Vikings. OT
Mucky Tundra (24-Nov) : Thems the breaks I guess
Mucky Tundra (24-Nov) : Two players out and Williams had an injury designation this week but Oladapo is a healthy scratch
Zero2Cool (24-Nov) : Packers inactives vs 49ers: • CB Jaire Alexander • S Kitan Oladapo • LB Edgerrin Cooper • OL Jacob Monk
TheKanataThrilla (24-Nov) : Aaron Jones with a costly red zone fumble
Zero2Cool (24-Nov) : When we trade Malik for a 1st rounder, we'll need a new QB2.
packerfanoutwest (23-Nov) : Report: Aaron Rodgers wants to play in 2025, but not for the Jets
beast (23-Nov) : That's what I told the Police officer about my speed when he pulled me over
packerfanoutwest (23-Nov) : NFL told Bears that Packers’ blocked field goal was legal
packerfanoutwest (22-Nov) : 49ers are underdogs at Packers, ending streak of 36 straight games as favorites
Zero2Cool (22-Nov) : 49ers might be down their QB, DL, TE and LT?
packerfanoutwest (22-Nov) : Jaire Alexander says he has a torn PCL
Zero2Cool (20-Nov) : Even with the context it's ... what?
Mucky Tundra (20-Nov) : Matt LaFleur without context: “I don’t wanna pat you on the butt and you poop in my hand.”
beast (20-Nov) : We brought in a former Packers OL coach to help evaluate OL as a scout
beast (20-Nov) : Jets have been pretty good at picking DL
Zero2Cool (20-Nov) : He landed good players thanks to high draft slot. He isn't good.
Zero2Cool (20-Nov) : He can shove his knowledge up his ass. He knows nothing.
beast (20-Nov) : More knowledge, just like bring in the Jets head coach
Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : What? Why? Huh?
beast (19-Nov) : I wonder if the Packers might to try to bring Douglas in through Milt Hendrickson/Ravens connections
Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : The Jets fired Joe Douglas, per sources
packerfanoutwest (19-Nov) : Jets are a mess......
Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : Pretty sure Jets fired their scouting staff and just pluck former Packers.
Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : Jets sign Anders Carlson to their 53.
Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : When you cycle the weeks, the total over remains for season. But you get your W/L for that selected week. Confusing.
packerfanoutwest (19-Nov) : the total and percentage are the same as the previous weeks
packerfanoutwest (19-Nov) : the total and percentage are the same as the previous weeks
packerfanoutwest (19-Nov) : the totals are accurate..nrvrtmind
Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : I don't follow what you are saying. The totals are not the same as last week.
packerfanoutwest (19-Nov) : ok so then wht are the totals the same as last week?
Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : NFL Pick'em is auto updated when NFL Scores tab is clicked
Martha Careful (19-Nov) : The offense was OK. Let's not forget the Bear defense is very very good.
packerfanoutwest (19-Nov) : Who updates the leaderboard on NFLPickem?
beast (19-Nov) : Has the Packers offense been worse since the former Jets coach joined the Packers?
Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : Offense gets his ass in gear, this could be good.
Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : Backup QB helped with three wins. Special Teams contributed to three wins.
bboystyle (18-Nov) : Lions played outside thats why. They scored 16 and 17 in the only 2 outside games this year
Zero2Cool (18-Nov) : The rest of the NFL is catching up to Packers ... kicking is an issue throughout league
packerfanoutwest (18-Nov) : Packers DL Kenny Clark: We knew 'we were going to block' Bears' game-winning field goal attempt
Zero2Cool (18-Nov) : Lions seem to be throttling everyone, but only (only) got 24 lol maybe the rain is why
Zero2Cool (18-Nov) : Packers vs Lions game doesn't seem so bad.
beast (18-Nov) : Dennis Green "They are what we thought they were, and we let them off the hook!"
Martha Careful (17-Nov) : comment of the day Z2Cool "Bears better than we want to admit. Packers worse than we think. It's facts."
Mucky Tundra (17-Nov) : my worst case scenario: Bears fix their oline and get a coach like Johnson from the Lions and his scheme
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2024 Packers Schedule
Friday, Sep 6 @ 7:15 PM
Eagles
Sunday, Sep 15 @ 12:00 PM
COLTS
Sunday, Sep 22 @ 12:00 PM
Titans
Sunday, Sep 29 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Sunday, Oct 6 @ 3:25 PM
Rams
Sunday, Oct 13 @ 12:00 PM
CARDINALS
Sunday, Oct 20 @ 12:00 PM
TEXANS
Sunday, Oct 27 @ 12:00 PM
Jaguars
Sunday, Nov 3 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Sunday, Nov 17 @ 12:00 PM
Bears
Sunday, Nov 24 @ 3:25 PM
49ERS
Thursday, Nov 28 @ 7:20 PM
DOLPHINS
Thursday, Dec 5 @ 7:15 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 15 @ 7:20 PM
Seahawks
Monday, Dec 23 @ 7:15 PM
SAINTS
Sunday, Dec 29 @ 12:00 PM
Vikings
Saturday, Jan 4 @ 11:00 PM
BEARS
Recent Topics
5h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

5h / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

12h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

25-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / buckeyepackfan

24-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / buckeyepackfan

24-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

23-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

23-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

21-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

21-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

21-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

20-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

20-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

20-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

19-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2024 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.