Greg C.
14 years ago

I just can't imagine a GM/Owner saying well you know Mr Black Guy is better than Mr White Guy, but let's hire Mr White Guy instead.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



Not anymore. But that wasn't exactly the problem to begin with. The problem was that Mr. Black Guy wasn't even being considered for the job. Remember, it wasn't all that long ago that black players were not allowed to play Major League Baseball. That was within our own parents' lifetimes. And once the players got into the major sports, it took several more decades for them to work their way into coaching in any kind of numbers.

When I was a kid in the 70s, black QBs were rare. It was generally assumed by most of the adults around me that they weren't smart enough to play QB. This was not all that long ago.

Thankfully, things have improved a lot since then, and I think the Rooney rule has pretty much run its course and could be phased out at any time. But I do think it has accelerated the process a bit.
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Zero2Cool
14 years ago
I could see how it benefits for a couple years, but I think now... its patronizing. I mean, if you're a minority and get called for an interview, its in the back of your mind ... am I the rooney interview? That has to be worse than not being called at all.
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Greg C.
14 years ago

Not completely related, but I've always wondered how black people felt about the massive deal that was made about black head coaches being in the Super Bowl the year Indy beat the Bears.

The fuss that was made about it, you'd almost think that the perception was that black coaches were fundamentally incapable of such feats, and that it was a surprise of epic preportions that they'd somehow tricked the system in getting to the big dance.

I'd have found it a little insulting as a black person, I imagine.

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Wow, I will say that that is a very interesting reading of the situation. You suggest that it was a big deal because people thought that those coaches didn't deserve to be where they were. Actually it was just the opposite. It was a big deal because it was proof that their talent and hard work were rewarded.

It wasn't so long ago that if you were black, it didn't matter how much talent you had and how hard you worked, your chances of becoming an NFL head coach were very, very slim. If you don't believe me, how do you explain the fact that there were so few black head coaches in the NFL until very recently? Did black people suddenly get smarter in the 1990s?
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jdlax
14 years ago

Not completely related, but I've always wondered how black people felt about the massive deal that was made about black head coaches being in the Super Bowl the year Indy beat the Bears.

The fuss that was made about it, you'd almost think that the perception was that black coaches were fundamentally incapable of such feats, and that it was a surprise of epic preportions that they'd somehow tricked the system in getting to the big dance.

I'd have found it a little insulting as a black person, I imagine.

"Greg C." wrote:



Wow, I will say that that is a very interesting reading of the situation. You suggest that it was a big deal because people thought that those coaches didn't deserve to be where they were. Actually it was just the opposite. It was a big deal because it was proof that their talent and hard work were rewarded.

It wasn't so long ago that if you were black, it didn't matter how much talent you had and how hard you worked, your chances of becoming an NFL head coach were very, very slim. If you don't believe me, how do you explain the fact that there were so few black head coaches in the NFL until very recently? Did black people suddenly get smarter in the 1990s?

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I almost didn't post my thoughts, for fear of being misunderstood on a sensitive subject. Bingo. :icon_smile:

I'm saying there is no reason why black coaches leading their teams to the Super Bowl should surprise anyone. NFL teams do their homework when they hire people, so those men, whatever their colour, are extremely highly qualified individuals, and when they achieve like the highly qualified individuals that they are...the colour of their skin ain't got a thing to do with it. But that was certainly not how it was covered in the media that Super Bowl, and like I said, I think if I was a man of colour it may have annoyed me a little.
Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago
If I were black, it would annoy me to be called "a man of colour."
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porky88
14 years ago
Reverse racism is a term getting thrown around way too much lately.

At one point, I understood the need for a Rooney rule. With that said, times have changed. I think we're passed that now. Especially the NFL owners. They could careless as long as their winning and making money. The latter first.
Formo
14 years ago
Rooney Rule = stupid.

One should be hired based on their credentials and how they conduct themselves in the interviewing process. Not on how they look.
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Greg C.
14 years ago

Rooney Rule = stupid.

One should be hired based on their credentials and how they conduct themselves in the interviewing process. Not on how they look.

"Formo" wrote:



The Rooney rule has nothing to do with hiring--just interviewing.
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Greg C.
14 years ago

Not completely related, but I've always wondered how black people felt about the massive deal that was made about black head coaches being in the Super Bowl the year Indy beat the Bears.

The fuss that was made about it, you'd almost think that the perception was that black coaches were fundamentally incapable of such feats, and that it was a surprise of epic preportions that they'd somehow tricked the system in getting to the big dance.

I'd have found it a little insulting as a black person, I imagine.

"jdlax" wrote:



Wow, I will say that that is a very interesting reading of the situation. You suggest that it was a big deal because people thought that those coaches didn't deserve to be where they were. Actually it was just the opposite. It was a big deal because it was proof that their talent and hard work were rewarded.

It wasn't so long ago that if you were black, it didn't matter how much talent you had and how hard you worked, your chances of becoming an NFL head coach were very, very slim. If you don't believe me, how do you explain the fact that there were so few black head coaches in the NFL until very recently? Did black people suddenly get smarter in the 1990s?

"Greg C." wrote:



I almost didn't post my thoughts, for fear of being misunderstood on a sensitive subject. Bingo. :icon_smile:

I'm saying there is no reason why black coaches leading their teams to the Super Bowl should surprise anyone. NFL teams do their homework when they hire people, so those men, whatever their colour, are extremely highly qualified individuals, and when they achieve like the highly qualified individuals that they are...the colour of their skin ain't got a thing to do with it. But that was certainly not how it was covered in the media that Super Bowl, and like I said, I think if I was a man of colour it may have annoyed me a little.

"jdlax" wrote:



I think a lot of the reason it was covered that way was that there was always this suspicion that black coaches were hired just because they were black, as sort of a political correctness thing. So finally this was proof that that was not the case.

I was uncomfortable with the way it was covered in the media, too. But at the same time I was thinking: As silly as this seems now, at least the next time it happens it won't be a big deal.
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Zero2Cool
14 years ago

I think a lot of the reason it was covered that way was that there was always this suspicion that black coaches were hired just because they were black, as sort of a political correctness thing. So finally this was proof that that was not the case.

I was uncomfortable with the way it was covered in the media, too. But at the same time I was thinking: As silly as this seems now, at least the next time it happens it won't be a big deal.

"Greg C." wrote:



How did forcing teams to interview a minority prove black coaches weren't being hired for political correctness? I mean, hell, the Rooney Rule IS political correctness.
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