Zero2Cool
14 years ago
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/107631168.html 

Green Bay Joe Philbin, a man who's typically unflappable, had just been thrown for a loop.

Philbin, the Green Bay Packers offensive coordinator, was asked recently how to get more consistency out of fourth-year wide receiver James Jones. Philbin paused, turned a bright shade of red, then realized he didn't really have an answer.

"It's a good question," Philbin said. "It's one of those things. . . if I had that answer I probably wouldn't be talking to you right now."

But he is. And with Jones now 54 games into his Green Bay career, the Packers still can't fully trust him.

The past four games are a perfect example of why Jones has yet to win over his bosses.

In wins against Dallas on Sunday and Minnesota on Oct. 24, Jones was terrific. He caught 12 passes for 230 yards and one touchdown in those two games, highlighted by a career performance (8-123-1) against Dallas.

In the other two games - a loss to Miami on Oct. 17 and a win at the New York Jets on Oct. 31 - Jones was blanked. Zero. Zip. Nada. Nothing.

That's why no one - not even Jones himself - is fully sure how to get more evenness in his play.

"James Jones could play better, yes," Jones said. "But James Jones believes to be up, you need opportunities. I can't throw the ball to myself. I can't do that.

"Now, I believe people say, 'Up and down, up and down' because with the few opportunities I have, I may let a ball go, which I have this year. I haven't really made the most of my opportunities and I have let a couple balls go.

"I understand where it comes from, but with opportunities I believe comes consistency, and hopefully I can get some more opportunities."

Jones, who is third on the team in catches (27) and second in yards (407), was targeted a season-high nine times against Dallas. And while Jones was instrumental in Green Bay's 45-7 win, he also had some frustrating moments.

On Jones' first reception, he lined up wide right in a four-receiver package. Jones beat cornerback Terrance Newman on an inside slant but was stripped of the ball by safety Barry Church. Fortunately for Jones and the Packers, fellow wide receiver Jordy Nelson recovered.

On the final pass of the night intended for Jones, he was again wide right in a four-receiver look. Jones beat Newman inside and the middle of the field was wide open, but Jones dropped a certain touchdown pass from Aaron Rodgers.

"How do I get him to (become consistent)?" Packers receivers coach Jimmy Robinson said. "You've just got to keep working at it. I don't think there's any easy answers to it.

"I think you just get 'em as prepared as you possibly can be and have him ready to go. Then on Sunday it's up to him. James is a good football player. He's a big part of what we do. . . and we're counting on him to play well."

In between those bad plays against Dallas, Jones looked like a Pro Bowl player.

He ran a beautiful comeback route against cornerback Bryan McCann and gained 11 yards on third and 7. Jones whipped Pro Bowl cornerback Mike Jenkins on a back-shoulder reception for 22 yards.

Jones lined up wide right in a four-receiver package, then got behind Newman and safety Gerald Sensabaugh for a 31-yard gain. He caught a quick pop pass in the right flat, made Newman miss in the open field and gained 8 yards after the catch.

And on Jones' 10-yard touchdown, he was split wide left, ran an inside slant and caught Rodgers' pass at the 8. Jones dodged cornerback Orlando Scandrick, ran over Jenkins, then carried Sensabaugh the final 3 yards for the score.

"Have I been playing flawlessly? Not even close," said Jones, whose playing time has increased during this stretch because Donald Driver has been battling a thigh injury. "But people have yet to see what James Jones can truly do, in Year 4. Hopefully, that will present itself and I have to make the best of my opportunities."

Jones' 2010 campaign has been similar to his entire Green Bay career. Sensational at times, invisible at others.

He was terrific in 2007, when he ranked third among all rookie receivers in catches (47) and yards (676). He suffered a sprained right knee in 2008 that kept him out of six games and helped cause his numbers to plummet (20-274-1).

Jones had a solid season a year ago, when he tied for second on the team in touchdown catches (five). This year, he has been an enigma, quitting on a ball against Miami that wound up being intercepted, dropping a go route against the Jets that could have been a TD, then torching the Vikings and Cowboys.

"This year, people say inconsistency and I understand why," Jones said. "But at the same time, I'm not that far off.

"I have more. I have met with the coaches individually and I have more to give. I told the coaches I haven't been playing flawlessly. But as a player, when you're not in a rhythm, when you go a whole game and don't get a ball thrown your way until the fourth quarter, that's tough."

Jones' roller-coaster play will make it tough for the Packers to decide what to do with him. He is in the final year of his rookie contract and, depending how the new collective bargaining agreement is structured, could become an unrestricted free agent at season's end.


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Greg C.
14 years ago
He mentions that Jones quit on a ball against Miami that wound up being intercepted. Why do I not remember that?
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dfosterf
14 years ago
I cut him slack in the explanation department simply because imo he isn't bright enough to avoid coming off as an excuse-maker when interviewed / questioned. Call it the justification equivalent of "absence of malice" .

He didn't quit on that play vs. Miami, and I know which play they are talking about. That is a widely- circulated opinion, and it is a pure cheap-shot, in mine (opinion).

Aaron Rodgers hasn't been as consistent as we would want, either. I'm no more giving up on Jones than I am on Rodgers...

I find more similarities in the inconsistencies of the two than most. I know for pretty much a fact that Rodgers trusts him in the clutch, and way more often than not is rewarded for doing so. Jones is a gamer, I'm tellin' everyone.

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Zero2Cool
14 years ago

He mentions that Jones quit on a ball against Miami that wound up being intercepted. Why do I not remember that?

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Took me a little while to think of it, but I think it was a back shoulder play that Jones didn't turn around fast enough to challenge it.
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14 years ago
IMHO it's kind of silly to discuss the ups and downs of a receiver. A lot of things determine what kind of game they have: the QB, defensive scheme, who the defense puts on them, luck.
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peteralan71
14 years ago

What's with Packers players and referring to themselves in the third person?

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That was one of my first thoughts. Goddammit. It didn't please me when JFin did it, and it sure as hell doesn't right now, because Jones has less talent and he also does it. Not to say that if a person is talented, they should be allowed to do it, but it does seem to be a trend more so with the top talent in the league as opposed to people who are the #5 receiver on the team when all else are healthy (Jennings, Driver, Finley, Nelson, Jones). STOP THAT!!!!!!!!
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blueleopard
14 years ago
When the media starts questioning the consistency of your third option at WR, I'd say you're in a good situation.
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Greg C.
14 years ago

When the media starts questioning the consistency of your third option at WR, I'd say you're in a good situation.

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Well-put. +1
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beast
14 years ago

When the media starts questioning the consistency of your third option at WR, I'd say you're in a good situation.

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He might become the second option this season if Driver doesn't get together.
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peteralan71
14 years ago

When the media starts questioning the consistency of your third option at WR, I'd say you're in a good situation.

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He might become the second option this season if Driver doesn't get together.

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It's good to see Rodgers giving Jennings more attention again lately, reminding him that he is indeed our #1. I think he certainly deserves to be there, and the fact that he remains quiet about it (did have a few words earlier this season, for which he promptly apologized) makes him look all that much better and mature.
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