dyeah_gb
14 years ago
http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/29688/assessing-the-packers-future 



Assessing the Packers' future
Kevin Seifert--

I had to laugh at the gallows humor you generated in Wednesday's post detailing what appears to be a season-ending knee injury for Green Bay Packers tight end Jermichael Finley.

Ellamont76 asked for a little sugar to coat the devastating news. Doug Pretty responded with a line from a currently-running television ad: "Jermichael Finley is out for the season, but I have some good news! I just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance by switching to Geico!"

"Thanks, that's better," Ellamont76 responded. "I've just been closing my eyes, plugging my ears and saying 'La la la la I can't hear you.'"

On Wednesday, the Packers practiced without nine prominent players, all of whom began the season healthy but are now sidelined by injuries. As you can see in the chart at the bottom of the post, the list includes some of the biggest names on their roster. Two others, cornerback Al Harris and safety Atari Bigby, are on the physically unable to perform list.

Many of us tapped the Packers as preseason NFC North favorites. Should we plug our ears and sing "La, la, la, la, la, I can't hear you?" Or is it time to recalibrate our division reckoning?

In other words: Are the Packers cooked?

Speaking to reporters Wednesday, coach Mike McCarthy did his best to put a positive spin on what, objectively speaking, is a personnel catastrophe. Independent of X's and O's, the psychological hammer of the long-term injuries to Finley, linebacker Nick Barnett and tailback Ryan Grant -- not to mention short-term ailments of linebacker Clay Matthews and quarterback Aaron Rodgers -- could be devastating.

"There is no 'woe is me' here," McCarthy insisted. "This is the National Football League. It's a dynamic business. ... I like where we are at as a team. I think this is an excellent opportunity for us to show what we are about. I know there is probably doubt outside the room. ... So we'll be ready to go Sunday, I can promise you that."

Already, the Packers (3-2) are in essence two games behind the division-leading Chicago Bears (4-1) by virtue of their 20-17 loss at Soldier Field last month. Meanwhile, the Minnesota Vikings provided a glimpse of what they could become during their Monday night loss to the New York Jets. Even the 1-4 Detroit Lions have new life after a 38-point shellacking of the St. Louis Rams and looming home games against all three NFC North foes.

Given that landscape, here's where I land: As tough as it's going to be on the Packers, I'm not willing to write off any team in Week 6. Instead, let's try to be more constructive and establish six maxims to guide us through this unexpected turbulence.

1. The Packers must make substantive changes to their offense in Finley's absence, a job made more difficult by the failure of anyone to step up after Grant's injury.

Through the first four games of the season, according to ESPN Stats & Information, the Packers used a two-tight end formation on 80 of 223 plays (36 percent). With Finley and Donald Lee (chest) sidelined, the Packers won't have that luxury moving forward.

Instead, they'll have to redirect their scheme through receivers Greg Jennings and Donald Driver. Neither is having a typical season. Driver dropped four passes last Sunday against the Washington Redskins and Jennings has only 14 receptions in five games. According to ESPN Stats & Information, Finley has been by far the Packers' most reliable downfield receiver, catching 75 percent of the passes thrown to him 11 or more yards past the line of scrimmage. The rest of the Packers' receivers have caught 44 percent of similar passes.

Worse, Finley's absence will probably draw more defensive attention to Jennings. But somehow, the Packers must find a way to make him the new centerpiece of their offense.

"Obviously," Jennings told reporters, "one of the positives of having so much depth on the perimeter is that if one guy were to go down, we've got a lot of guys who can step up and make plays. At the same time, from a personal standpoint ... when he goes down, a lot more attention goes to me. We kind of help each other out a little bit. It's going to be tough."

2. The Packers can't play their current defensive scheme without Matthews, whose short-term status is unclear because of a strained hamstring.

According to ESPN Stats & Information, the Redskins completed only 30 percent of their passes against the Packers' blitz before Matthews' injury Sunday. After he left, they completed 62.5 percent against it.

Matthews' absence is expected to be relatively short term, but we all know the dangers of blitzing without an elite blitzer. Defensive coordinator Dom Capers must adjust.

3. In more ways than one, the Bears are in the NFC North driver seat.

Their 4-1 record puts them atop the division, of course, but they've also remained relatively healthy thus far. The only Week 1 starter who isn't expected to play Sunday against the Seattle Seahawks for health reasons is left guard Roberto Garza (knee).

And through five games, the Bears' defense has been the best-performing and most consistent group on either side of the ball in the entire division. It ranks No. 6 overall in the NFL and has been good enough to carry a team to a division title. To use a clich, the Bears' defense gives the entire team something to hang its hat on. Frankly, no other NFC North team can boast such an advantage.

4. Our preseason projections were made without considering the possibility that the Vikings would acquire receiver Randy Moss.

With him, they have the personnel to slash and burn their way through the second half of their schedule.

In 17 minutes of game time spanning the third and fourth quarters Monday night, their offense scored 21 points and amassed 204 total yards against one of the league's best defenses. That kind of explosiveness, if harnessed on a consistent basis, could add a new factor to the division race. The big question will be whether the Vikings will bury themselves too deeply before their offense gets straightened out.

5. No team can reasonably plan for the loss of nine prominent players, be it for the short or long term.

But the Packers' philosophy against acquiring veterans from outside the organization makes them especially ill-equipped.

General manager Ted Thompson prefers to develop his own backups and security blankets through the draft and by signing undrafted college players. It makes sense in the long term, especially when you realize that 19 of their 22 Week 1 starters were homegrown. But in the short term, it leaves inexperienced players to assume major roles.

If Rodgers must miss a game, he'll be replaced by the untested Matt Flynn rather than, say, a Shaun Hill. Without Grant, the Packers have turned to Brandon Jackson and John Kuhn instead of perhaps a Chester Taylor. Finley's injury will force the Packers to turn to rookie Andrew Quarless, who made the 53-man roster at the expense of veteran Spencer Havner.

There is no rule against young players rising to the occasion, but it's more difficult to predict it. Again, no team should be written off in the middle of October. But suffice it to say, the Packers now have their work cut out for them.


The first principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool - R. Feynman
Zero2Cool
14 years ago
Where's the chart?
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Zero2Cool
14 years ago
LB Nick Barnett 	wrist 		Likely out for season
S Atari Bigby 		ankle 		On PUP list
S Morgan Burnett 	knee 		Out for season
LB Brandon Chillar 	shoulder 	Has missed two weeks
TE Jermichael Finley 	knee 		Likely out for season
DL Justin Harrell 	knee 		Out for season
CB Al Harris 		knee 		On PUP list
TE Donald Lee 		chest sprain 	Likely to miss a game or more
RB Ryan Grant 		ankle 		Out for season
S Derrick Martin 	knee 		Out for season
LB Clay Matthews 	hamstring 	Sunday status uncertain
DL Ryan Pickett 	ankle 		Sunday status uncertain
QB Aaron Rodgers 	concussion 	Sunday status uncertain
CB Sam Shields 		calf 		Has missed two games
RT Mark Tauscher 	shoulder 	In midst of 2-4 week absence

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Finley88Beast
14 years ago
Donald Lee has been getting better as well as shields will be good to go.
A Quote from my brother Mike(Bears Fan)
"Fucking Greg Jennings"
After he makes a catch
dfosterf
14 years ago
My personal "chart" includes:

DT Johnny Jolly Purple drank/moron Suspended for season

RB James Starks ankle/hamstring On PUP list

RB Quinn Porter knee waived injured-
picked up by Redskins
Sep 10th-their
practice squad now

CB Josh Bell foot Injured Reserve
nerdmann
14 years ago
Finley's the only guy we lost that we can't replace with depth already on our team. Thank Ted Thompson for that. Our problem is not injuries. It's underperforming, which is something we've been doing even before the injuries happened.
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dyeah_gb
14 years ago

Finley's the only guy we lost that we can't replace with depth already on our team. Thank Ted Thompson for that. Our problem is not injuries. It's underperforming, which is something we've been doing even before the injuries happened.

"nerdmann" wrote:



I agree with this. Both the game against the bears and Lions left me with partial disgust at the Packers performance. Injuries have hurt us but sloppiness and bad luck have made matters worse. How many of you were saying "Here we go again" after the fumble at the beginning of the Redskins game?

I will add though: Go Pack!
The first principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool - R. Feynman
all_about_da_packers
14 years ago

Finley's the only guy we lost that we can't replace with depth already on our team. Thank Ted Thompson for that.

"nerdmann" wrote:



I disagree with this.

Quarless, for all his inexperience, has developed decently for a rookie. He has skills comparable to Finley, but his quicker progression show he can step-in and be a threat similar in the fashion of Finley.

Against the Redskins (for example, 4th and goal TD play call, and final drive 21 yard post-route) Quarless was asked to play the role of Finley and did okay (especially the post-route where he lined up as a WR and ran a good receiving route).

Finley in this offense is not asked to make something out of nothing but rather take advantage of the Cover-2 we see teams playing against us most of the time by getting open. You'd think Quarless - who filled in decent - could fill a similar role given his physical talents, hence providing an adequate replacement on the roster to take-up some of Finley's role.

The only injured players who cannot currently be replaced on the roster are Clay and Grant. Clay is just awesome, and Grant had the speed to get outside as well as score long rushing TDs. I'd include Rodgers, but from all appearances it appears he is no longer "injured".
The NFL: Where Greg Jennings Happens.
DarkaneRules
14 years ago
I hate the talk that Finley is our offense. It kind of throws a big middle finger to our wide receivers. They need to go out and make plays for our team as a group and show up. That is really what I want to see. I also want to see the kind of plays drawn up to make this happen. We have the kind of talent on this offense to score at least 21 points a game. End of story.
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Zero2Cool
14 years ago
Thank Ted for not finding another JerMichael Finley to back him up? Do you realize how many teams do not even have ONE JerMichael Finley?

How about thanking Ted for us being one of the rare teams that has a TE of his caliber?

Oh shucks, that won't happen because we have to be greedy and unappreciative.



As for Finley being our offense. False. I believe we racked up quite a few points without him. What hurts is losing him and Ryan Grant. One alone isn't that bad, but both makes it hard to overcome.
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