buckeyepackfan
14 years ago
Week 2 showed a very different outcome for AJ. Even though some on this forum have made up their mind that The Packers D would be better without him, I have to disagree.

As should be with the 3-4 defense The Packers play, the 2 inside linebackers led the team in Combinations(tackela and assists), both with 9.

Barnett 7 tackes 2 assists, Hawk 5 tackles 4 assists.

The defense AS A WHOLE had a tremendous day, holding The Bills to 124 net rushing yds and 62 net passing yds.

Hawk will never be the flash in this defense, but a winning team needs more than flash to succeed.

I am very interested to see how The Packers play The Bears next Monday night. I am guessing there will be a little more Chillar with Cutler, but AJ will get his playing time and will contribute.
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Chutzpah515
14 years ago
Hawk undoubtedly makes the packers defense better, but, as he is in the final year of his contract, his production is not worth the amount of money it will take to keep in GB next season. The Packers are lucky enough to have a lot of talent at the LB position, so they won't bend over backwards to keep him. The whole Hawk-Lynch debate was more over weather he would have more value in a trade, as opposed to keeping him on the roster for the rest of this season. Make no mistake AJ Hawk will no longer be a packer after this year, as he will want more playing time and money than the Packers are willing to give him.
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British
14 years ago
For me it comes down to value.

If Hawk is as pissed off with his lack of snaps as his agent claims then he may refuse to redo his contract in the offseason.

That would mean he gets cut as we don't pay him $10m for the season. If we cut him we don't even get a compensatory draft choice.

So if we trade him now, say for a running back or future pick, we get something in return.

If that is a player (RB, CB, etc) who can fill a greater need than a part time linebacker then I can see the sense in pulling the trigger.
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Chutzpah515
14 years ago

For me it comes down to value.

If Hawk is as pissed off with his lack of snaps as his agent claims then he may refuse to redo his contract in the offseason.

That would mean he gets cut as we don't pay him $10m for the season. If we cut him we don't even get a compensatory draft choice.

So if we trade him now, say for a running back or future pick, we get something in return.

If that is a player (RB, CB, etc) who can fill a greater need than a part time linebacker then I can see the sense in pulling the trigger.

"British" wrote:



I was wondering about the compensatory draft choice. Thanks for clearing that up.
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all_about_da_packers
14 years ago

For me it comes down to value.

If Hawk is as pissed off with his lack of snaps as his agent claims then he may refuse to redo his contract in the offseason.

"British" wrote:




I am not sure what you expect from Hawk seeing his snaps dwindle to zero; you expect him to be happy or even marginally content? If I was in his position, I'd clearly be as pissed as he is.

Hawk's agent also said that his preference would be to stay with the Packers, but if he is moved then he would welcome the chance to compete somewhere else.

We know that Desmond Bishop's contract expires, and that he has already rejected an extension the Packers offered him. Trading Hawk makes zero sense, considering Hawk is better overall than Bishop and has shown he is open to returning to Green Bay.

When exactly do you remember Ted trading away a player of some value to another team for something? He didn't even trade Kampman when it was plainly obvious Kampman was not thrilled at all with the move to 3-4.

Hawk is not going no where. And he should not, because he showed today that he can contribute quite a bit to our team.
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Dexter_Sinister
14 years ago
Bishop missed the game with a pulled hamstring. If he doesn't recover and we trade Hawk, we would be down to zero healthy ILBs to come in if Barnette or Chillar are hurt.

If we trade him now, we are screwed.
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bigfog
14 years ago
You have to think about it this way - will he help the Packers win a championship this year, or will the player he's traded for help the team win a championship?

Hawk is who he is. Stout against the run, not that great against the pass. On the other hand, if he were traded say for a Lynch or a Fred Jackson, that running back would be able to take some pressure off the offense and maybe even provide the homerun hitter that the team's been looking for since seemingly Ahman Green back in his heyday.

I'm just not sure that it would be in the team's best interest to get rid of him. Granted, Bishop seems beastly, but he makes mental mistakes that are just killer. In the end, I think the team is best served by standing pat and having Hawk guide them to a Superbowl.

If all else fails, tag and trade him baby!
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twebdonny
14 years ago
Trade him for a power running back and do it quickly!

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isocleas2
14 years ago
I don't think we'll see much of Hawk next week against Chicago. Martz will play 3WR sets alot, forcing us into more nickel.
British
14 years ago

For me it comes down to value.

If Hawk is as pissed off with his lack of snaps as his agent claims then he may refuse to redo his contract in the offseason.

"all_about_da_packers" wrote:




I am not sure what you expect from Hawk seeing his snaps dwindle to zero; you expect him to be happy or even marginally content? If I was in his position, I'd clearly be as pissed as he is.

Hawk's agent also said that his preference would be to stay with the Packers, but if he is moved then he would welcome the chance to compete somewhere else.

We know that Desmond Bishop's contract expires, and that he has already rejected an extension the Packers offered him. Trading Hawk makes zero sense, considering Hawk is better overall than Bishop and has shown he is open to returning to Green Bay.

When exactly do you remember Ted trading away a player of some value to another team for something? He didn't even trade Kampman when it was plainly obvious Kampman was not thrilled at all with the move to 3-4.

Hawk is not going no where. And he should not, because he showed today that he can contribute quite a bit to our team.

"British" wrote:



Dude, don't get your knickers in a twist. I'm not blaming Hawk, it's just a fact that he may want to play three downs for another team instead of part time for us. He said as much himself this weekend! If that is the case he may refuse to redo his contract forcing us to cut him. We don't pay him $10m next season.

If we're going to cut him at the end of the season it might be better to get something for him.

But with Bishop inured we're not all that deep at ILB so Hawk probably stays anyway.
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