Wamzlee
14 years ago

The strange ranting of Randy Moss this week takes me back to the weekend of the 2007 Draft; much of it spent trying to sign Moss. It was a brief but intense negotiation that fueled some fire with Brett Favre when, for the first of two times, the Packers couldnt agree with Moss on a contract.

Moss for sale

The Raiders bold experiment with Moss they had traded Napoleon Harris and the 7th pick in the 2005 Draft for him ended after two seasons when Moss could be had for a mid-round pick. Ted Thompson surprisingly had some interest, having been impressed with the way Moss handled himself at a charity event that he happened to be at in Texas. And Brett, of course, was extremely jazzed about the idea.

Now there were two parts to the deal to make it happen. First, there had to be agreement with the Raiders on draft pick compensation. We were offering a fifth-round pick and the Patriots later came up with a fourth. That, however, was the not the key to the deal.

One-year deal breaker

Moss was scheduled to make $9.75 million for 2007 and $11.25 million in 2008. Those amounts may well have been $100 million and $200 million; he was not making what was on the contract. We needed to bring in Moss, coming off a year with a pedestrian 43 receptions, at a more reasonable number with upside. The Patriots were also showing interest.

I negotiated with Mosss agent while the recruiting from the alpha dogs Brett and Tom Brady -- intensified. Moss was getting texts and calls throughout the weekend from both Favre and Brady both imploring him to come and form a powerhouse duo.

The offers from both teams were very similar for 2007, both around $3 million with additional incentives. Our proposal allowed Moss to make more than the Patriots proposal, although we had significant money tied to 45-man active roster bonuses, protecting us from injury if he could not play.

Our offer, however, required a second year in 2008. Moss and his agents were adamant that he wanted only a one-year deal. Having lost market value from his Raider experience, Moss would agree to a massive pay reduction for 2007 but wanted to hit the open market in 2008 coming off what he expected to be a big season.

The feeling in our discussions was that we did not want to rent Randy for a year only to have him shop to highest bidder in a few months trying to recoup some of his lost earnings in 2007. We discussed different ideas, but in the end we were insistent on a two-year deal. While we haggled about an appropriate roster bonus to activate the second year of the deal, the Patriots relented on the length and agreed to a one-year deal. That was it; he was going with Brady.

Mississippi burning

Brett was livid. The rest of the weekend I was fielding calls from Bus Cook about what went wrong in trying to sign Randy. Ted did not want to deal with Bus, so I listened patiently to their rancor and tried to explain our position.

I truly empathized with Brett. He had befriended and admired Randy for years and the two of them had dreamed of playing together. Here was an opportunity for us to make it a reality. But ultimately, we stood on our principles requiring more than a one-year commitment.

I told Brett to trust what we had at the position; that Greg Jennings would be a star in a couple years. He said he didnt have a couple of years. Brett offered to give up some of his salary for the following season although that was his last season with the Packers (see below) -- to bring in Randy. I told that was much appreciated but we would never take his money away from him to sign another player.

Brett was forever wanting a more aggressive attitude by the front office toward player acquisition than the present regime. My constant message that our method of drafting and developing talent rather than acquiring proven commodities only served to infuriate him and his resentment of a general manager that showed him none of the compassion and welcomed input of previous regimes.

Patriot games

Fast forward to 2008. After a wonderful year for the Patriots, catching 98 balls for 1493 yards and 23 touchdowns, Moss was a free agent as he designed, now with interest from several teams to cash in on his one-year deal. And cash in he did, re-signing with the Patriots for a three-year, $27 million deal with over $14 million guaranteed.

And guess what team showed some decent interest again in 2008? Yes, the Packers (along with the Eagles and Cowboys). But again, despite getting Brett's hopes up again, the Packers bowed out of the bidding (I had left the Packers at that point but heard the anger and frustration from Bretts camp). Moss re-signed with the Patriots on March 3rd. Favre retired from the Packers on March 4th. Coincidence?

Whither Randy?

Now Moss is coming to the end of that deal with deafening silence from the Patriots about re-signing for the third time. A lot can change between now and March, but it appears he has had his run wit the team, and its been a successful and lucrative one. And one that found the Packers in second place for his services twice.



http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Randys-rant-was-almost-a-Packer-twice.html 

This actually infuriates me, not at Ted Thompson, but I was lead to believe by Randy Moss and others that the Packers never tried.

But whatever...it worked out for the better. 🙂
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nerdmann
14 years ago
We don't need Randy Moss. We have Greg Jennings.
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Zero2Cool
14 years ago
I have this article in archive already, however, you all can't see that, nor discuss. I've moved this thread here because, well, I have a feeling I know how the ensuing discussion will be and I would rather Packers topics be discussed in the Packers section. :)

This story kind of meshes with what we all had suspected. The Packers were in the running, but the Patriots made it moot (did I use it correctly Rourke?) when they offered a higher round draft pick. Essentially meaning, we could have agreed to the same contract, but the Patriots swept in with a higher pick and snagged him up. Good move on their part, but he was more valuable to the Patriots than he would have been for us.

Some of the things Andy said in this article mesh with what we've heard about Brett's feelings too.
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dingus
14 years ago
Good call on Thompsons part, funny that the 2 teams Moss was dealing with made it to their respective championship games.
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Wamzlee
14 years ago

I have this article in archive already, however, you all can't see that, nor discuss. I've moved this thread here because, well, I have a feeling I know how the ensuing discussion will be and I would rather Packers topics be discussed in the Packers section. :)

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



I was considering checking the Around the NFL and putting it there, but figured since it talked about the Packers I might as well put it there. Yeah, the discussion will definitely not focus around the Packers or it's current state.
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British
14 years ago
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Randys-rant-was-almost-a-Packer-twice.html 

I love hearing this guy's stories from behind the scenes.
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all_about_da_packers
14 years ago
I do not think it is fair of implicate Moss almost being a Packers "twice," because evidence suggests that the second time the Packers showed interest in Moss in 2009, it was apparent quite early they would not get anywhere with the other suitors Moss had.

Still, the interesting thing for me is that a lot of what Brandt has revealed ends up meshing rather well with rumours we had heard from a lot of back channels, with Joe Arrigo being primary among them. I am skeptical of Arrigo's rumors, but it is fair to say he was reporting a lot of this stuff back then and it would seem it had some truth to it.

Personally, I get the feeling that Brandt is pretty torn on the issue: while feeling for Brett who wanted one last chance to win it all, he was a member of the Packers organization and thus also understood Ted's philosophy of long-term success. It is pretty clear Brandt does not like Ted a whole lot, but he respects his vision for team.
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Zero2Cool
14 years ago
jfc another one?
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longtimefan
14 years ago

I have this article in archive already,

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



I "think" this is a new one, not that old one

Yeah date stamp is from today...Part is old, but new parts were added I think
Zero2Cool
14 years ago

I have this article in archive already,

"longtimefan" wrote:



I "think" this is a new one, not that old one

Yeah date stamp is from today...Part is old, but new parts were added I think

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



You really think I'm an idiot, don't you? Fair enough, I give plenty of reason for that belief!


Truth be told, I'm not. SURPRISE!



I took the article from dfoster's link in the shout and immediately stored it. That's where my comment came from and why I said it was hidden, hoping to prevent any comments ... suggesting .... I .... don't .... know .... what ... I'm doing!





Just yanking ya, I know you're just being informative and I appreciate it. It's a rule to give you a hard time on anything you say. 😛
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