Zero2Cool
14 years ago
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/99180464.html 

Green Bay In truth, general manager Ted Thompson and coach Mike McCarthy could hardly have hoped for any more from Aaron Rodgers after they mortgaged their futures by trading Brett Favre.

All Rodgers has done in Green Bay is post a passer rating of 97.2, placing him just ahead of Steve Young (96.8) as the National Football League's all-time efficiency leader.

Just as the Packers were Favre's team from 1992-2007, they now belong to Rodgers. Almost without skipping a beat, the Packers see it as making a simple and also stunning transition from one franchise quarterback to another.

Thompson had the foresight to stop Rodgers' plunge in the 2005 draft after 21 teams passed, McCarthy developed him and Rodgers proved more than ready after a three-year apprenticeship.

At 26 with five seasons remaining on a $63.53 million contract, Rodgers is in position to equal if not exceed Favre's all-time career achievements.

"I'm not comparing him to anybody else," offensive coordinator Joe Philbin said. "But there's nothing that tells me this guy can't be an excellent player for a long time. He's a very good quarterback with a great future."

In 2008, the Packers wanted to see a competent level of starter's play from Rodgers. They got it.

In 2009, they wanted Rodgers to start winning games in wake of 6-10 and get them back to the playoffs. They went 11-5, qualifying for the postseason as a wild card.

This year, they want Rodgers to bring the Lombardi Trophy back to Green Bay for the first time since the 1996 season.

Unrealistic, you say? Not according to some in the national media.

Two football writers from Sports Illustrated have placed the Packers atop their preseason power rankings. Pro Football Weekly did the same.

Closing with a rush, the Packers had a legitimate chance to win the Super Bowl last year. Then their defense fell apart in Arizona, Rodgers didn't play his game and was soundly outplayed by Kurt Warner, and the Packers were eliminated in overtime, 51-45.

In order to take the Packers to North Texas for the 45th Super Bowl, Rodgers will attempt to join the short list of quarterbacks who have won a Super Bowl without first having won a playoff game in a previous season. In the last 25 years, that list includes Jim McMahon in 1985, Jeff Hostetler in '90, Warner in '99, Tom Brady in 2001 and Eli Manning in '07.

Favre had four playoff victories notched on his belt before the Packers swept to the mountaintop in 1996.

"He certainly appears to be a young quarterback on the rise," a personnel director for an NFC team said. "He played with confidence to play in big games, but until they win a big game that question is always there."

Of Rodgers' 17 victories in 33 starts, counting the postseason, six came against teams that finished with winning records. Five of those games were played at Lambeau Field, and the sixth was in Arizona last January for the regular-season finale when the Cardinals mailed it in.

"There's been a lot of guys with talent," the personnel man said. "But when they get into big games they try to do too much. Aaron is not playoff-hardened yet."

Although Rodgers' deep-ball accuracy deserted him in the wild-card game on potential touchdown bombs of 80 and 73 yards to a wide-open Greg Jennings, he does rank as one of the most pinpoint long passers in the game.

Thanks to mechanical alterations to his delivery and weight-room diligence, Rodgers' arm is much stronger than it was even three or four years ago.

Surprisingly athletic, he beats perfect coverage about once a week by taking off and running for a first down.

"His arm is big-time," said Philbin. "He's a big guy. Big hands. Long arms. And his mobility is outstanding."

Rodgers also has a plan for every pass and almost never throws into traffic. Counting playoffs, his touchdown-to-interception ratio in his first two seasons as a starter is 62-21, whereas Favre was at 42-40 after his first two seasons in Green Bay.

"I like the fact he was the quarterback of an offense that had 15 giveaways last year," Philbin said. "He was 30-7 (touchdowns to interceptions). I mean, holy cow. Man, a four-to-one interception ratio is not too shabby."

The main chink in Rodgers' armor has been his tendency to hold the ball. One scout said that flaw was evident during Rodgers' career at the University of California. Then he was responsible for 9 1/2 of 34 sacks (27.9%) in 2008 and 16 1/2 of 55 (30%) last year.

By comparison, Favre was charged with only 12 of 73 sacks (16.4%) in his last four seasons as a Packer. In lieu of sacks, however, Favre sometimes would unload interceptions.

"There's sometimes where you wish he would have gotten rid of the ball a little quicker," said Philbin. "But there's a lot of plays on film where he does a lot of the same things and gets the ball away just before the rush gets there and makes a big play. You can't always have it both ways. I don't think he's got a huge issue of holding onto the ball."

As the personnel man pointed out, Rodgers has a rapid release when he makes up his mind to throw the ball. At times, Rodgers tends to become greedy looking for the big play down the field, but Philbin said he did a better job getting rid of it in the second half of 2009.

"He has a pretty good mastery of what we're doing," said Philbin. "I don't think he's a guy that gets surprised an awful lot. Certainly, he's only started 32, 33 games in his NFL career. There's some things we're looking for him doing better."

Backup Matt Flynn also has increased his arm strength, one of the short-comings that caused him to fall to the seventh round in 2008. Now his coaches think he can move and throw, and that he knows what he's doing.

Given the Packers' burgeoning faith in Flynn, who destroyed highly touted Brian Brohm in two training camps, there seems to be no organizational incentive to sign a veteran quarterback or even keep a third on the roster.

"I'm gaining confidence in him every day," Philbin said. "His command of the huddle is very good. His decision-making is good. His arm is not as good as Aaron's today but it's improving.

"He's kind of a regular guy that you like to see do well. He's got a bounce in his step when he's in there. Example is the No. 1 criteria for leadership, and he sets a good example on the field. He's got a lot of juice, and he's got ability."


UserPostedImage
RaiderPride
14 years ago
It is always interesting to look back at the teams who passed on this future hall of famer.

1 Alex D. Smith 49ers QB Utah
2 Ronnie Brown Dolphins RB Auburn
3 Braylon Edwards Browns WR Michigan
4 Cedric Benson Bears RB Texas
5 Cadillac Williams Buccaneers RB Auburn
6 Pacman Jones Titans DB West Virginia
7 Troy Williamson Vikings WR South Carolina
8 Antrel Rolle Cardinals DB Miami (FL)
9 Carlos Rogers Redskins DB Auburn
10 Mike Williams Lions WR USC
11 Demarcus Ware Cowboys DE Troy State
12 Shawne Merriman Chargers LB Maryland
13 Jammal Brown Saints T Oklahoma
14 Thomas Davis Panthers DB Georgia
15 Derrick O. Johnson Chiefs LB Texas
16 Travis Johnson Texans DT Florida State
17 David Pollack Bengals DE Georgia
18 Erasmus James Vikings DE Wisconsin
19 Alex Barron Rams T Florida State
20 Marcus Spears Cowboys DE Louisiana State
21 Matt Jones Jaguars WR Arkansas
22 Mark Clayton Ravens WR Oklahoma
23 Fabian Washington Raiders DB Nebraska
""People Will Probably Never Remember What You Said, And May Never Remember What You Did. However, People Will Always Remember How You Made Them Feel."
nerdmann
14 years ago
Thats cool but in all fairness, Rodgers wouldn't have been ANYTHING if Ted Thompson hadn't hired MM. He would have been a huge BUST.
But then again, Ted Thompson DID hire MM...
I can see why teams passed him over, though. Mike McCarthy himself preferred Alex Smith over AR12. Smith would hardly suck today if Mike McCarthy had remained his QB coach.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
Fan Shout
Mucky Tundra (13h) : @AaronNagler · 2m Both Jordan Love and Malik Willis were Limited participants at Packers practice today.
Zero2Cool (16h) : Johnson didn't make it until 2020. Ring 2023. 🤷 Personally, he should have been in years prior to Hall.
Zero2Cool (16h) : HUMP DAY
beast (16h) : Guys that have a good shot at making the NFL Hall of Fame usually get into their teams pretty fast
beast (16h) : Yeah, but is Kampman and the others in the NFL Hall of Fame?
Zero2Cool (16h) : Johnson was Hall of Fame, 2020. Should haev been in Ring a year later, not three years.
Zero2Cool (16h) : I could be wrong there though
Zero2Cool (16h) : Guys like Kampman, Tim Harris, Al Harris, etc all over 15 years. Hall of Fame is 5 year wait
Zero2Cool (16h) : I guess I see players in Packers Hall come way later
beast (16h) : Yeah, usually teams hall of fames are a much lower bar than the NFL
Zero2Cool (16h) : is it uncommon for Hall before Ring?
Zero2Cool (16h) : S Xavier McKinney named first-team All-Pro by NFLPA
beast (18h) : I missed it, sorry, but he got into the NFL Hall of Fame years before that
Zero2Cool (18h) : Jones took his sweet ole time!
Zero2Cool (18h) : Yeah, he's in the ring of honor, just saw video and his name is up there
Zero2Cool (18h) : Didn't they have a thing in 2023 for Jimmy's ring of honor? I swear I saw it
beast (18h) : Though if they're legitimately trying to re-sign MM, then it makes sense.
beast (18h) : Jerry Jones still hasn't put Jimmy Johnson in the Ring of Honor, but he's in the NFL's Hall of Fame, Jones is petty
Mucky Tundra (8-Jan) : Unless the Cowboys are planning an extension, seems kinda petty
beast (8-Jan) : Cowboys denied Bears request
Mucky Tundra (6-Jan) : From what I'm reading, MM is under contract through the 14th of January; after that he's free game
Zero2Cool (6-Jan) : McCarthy let go or not extended??
Mucky Tundra (6-Jan) : Chicago Bears have asked the Dallas Cowboys permission to interview Mike McCarthy for head coaching vacancy
Zero2Cool (6-Jan) : The winners page that is
Zero2Cool (6-Jan) : I was not hoping for that. It messes up the page lol
beast (6-Jan) : Thank you, and I was really opening we were going to get 4 or more tied for the top 3.
beast (6-Jan) : Thank you, and I was really opening we were going to get 4 or more tied for the top 3.
beast (6-Jan) : Thank you, and I was really opening we were going to get 4 or more tied for the top 3
Zero2Cool (6-Jan) : congrats beast on 2024 !
Zero2Cool (6-Jan) : congrats porky on winning 2023 pick'em! (oops sorry)
Zero2Cool (6-Jan) : Packers have $60M+ of 2025 cap space on paper TODAY.
Mucky Tundra (6-Jan) : Missed FG into a Lions TD; that'll do pig, that'll do
Mucky Tundra (6-Jan) : That might be it for the Vikings
Mucky Tundra (6-Jan) : Oh so the refs do know what intentional grounding is
Mucky Tundra (6-Jan) : what the hell was that Goff?! Not much pressure and he just air mails it to Harrison
Mucky Tundra (6-Jan) : They really need to to get rid of the auto first down for illegal contact
Martha Careful (6-Jan) : watching the Vikings and Lions it's understandable why they swept the Packers. So much better product
Mucky Tundra (6-Jan) : Even when GB got pressure he was throwing darts; vs no pressure on that last pass he just air mails an open guy
Zero2Cool (6-Jan) : didn't have guys in his face ... pressure makes difference
Mucky Tundra (6-Jan) : Where was this Darnold vs GB?
Mucky Tundra (6-Jan) : BALL DON'T LIE
Mucky Tundra (6-Jan) : how was that not a safety? Goff throws it at an offensive lineman
Mucky Tundra (6-Jan) : Zero, I thought that was a given! ;)
Mucky Tundra (6-Jan) : Zero I looked through earlier and noticed the same thing. Bonkers year. I just wonder if beast put any money on games
Zero2Cool (6-Jan) : I'm hoping for BLOODBATH. Pummel one another.
Zero2Cool (6-Jan) : 8 people in pick'em would have won any year with their total lol
Mucky Tundra (6-Jan) : I'm rooting for the Lions to lose.
Mucky Tundra (6-Jan) : God help me but I'm rooting for the Vikings to...Vikings to...Christ I can't say it
Zero2Cool (6-Jan) : 4 td for Rodgers
Zero2Cool (6-Jan) : Chiefs got shutout
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2024 Packers Schedule
Friday, Sep 6 @ 7:15 PM
Eagles
Sunday, Sep 15 @ 12:00 PM
COLTS
Sunday, Sep 22 @ 12:00 PM
Titans
Sunday, Sep 29 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Sunday, Oct 6 @ 3:25 PM
Rams
Sunday, Oct 13 @ 12:00 PM
CARDINALS
Sunday, Oct 20 @ 12:00 PM
TEXANS
Sunday, Oct 27 @ 12:00 PM
Jaguars
Sunday, Nov 3 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Sunday, Nov 17 @ 12:00 PM
Bears
Sunday, Nov 24 @ 3:25 PM
49ERS
Thursday, Nov 28 @ 7:20 PM
DOLPHINS
Thursday, Dec 5 @ 7:15 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 15 @ 7:20 PM
Seahawks
Monday, Dec 23 @ 7:15 PM
SAINTS
Sunday, Dec 29 @ 3:25 PM
Vikings
Sunday, Jan 5 @ 12:00 PM
BEARS
Recent Topics
6h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

8h / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

8-Jan / Around The NFL / beast

7-Jan / Fantasy Sports Talk / wpr

7-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

7-Jan / Fantasy Sports Talk / Zero2Cool

6-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

6-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

6-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

6-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

6-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

6-Jan / Featured Content / Zero2Cool

6-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

5-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / buckeyepackfan

3-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.