ILikeThePackers39
15 years ago
I'd take Peterson over Rodgers, as long as we're talking about what he can be and not what I'm starting to worry he will be if Chilly continues to marginalize him. In terms of just potential, he could be the best ever. But last year proved to me that Chilly would prefer to have a more pass-oriented offensive attack, and that will only hurt a guy like Peterson. He needs to be a workhorse and the featured player in an offense.

Strictly on talent and potential, Peterson gets my vote. But Chilly's not using him the right way, IMO.
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zombieslayer
15 years ago

I'd take Peterson over Rodgers, as long as we're talking about what he can be and not what I'm starting to worry he will be if Chilly continues to marginalize him. In terms of just potential, he could be the best ever. But last year proved to me that Chilly would prefer to have a more pass-oriented offensive attack, and that will only hurt a guy like Peterson. He needs to be a workhorse and the featured player in an offense.

Strictly on talent and potential, Peterson gets my vote. But Chilly's not using him the right way, IMO.

"ILikeThePackers39" wrote:



ILike - If football is like chess, the QB is a Queen and the RB is a Rook. QB > RB. That's how it is.

Look at the greatest QBs of all-time and compare them to the greatest RBs of all time. Most great QBs won championships. Great RBs, as great as they are, rarely do enough to take their teams to championships. That's just how it goes.

Barry Sanders is perhaps the greatest RB I've ever seen. None. Wallie is probably #2. One, and that was due to the best D I've ever seen + a pretty decent QB actually staying healthy an entire year. Jim Brown is supposed to be the greatest ever. One championship. Gale Sayers? Zero. LT is perhaps the best recent RB. Zero.

Now let's look at great QBs (in no order) Montana - 4. Young - 1. Favre - 1, Brady 3, Manning - 1, Elway - 2. Marino's the odd man out.

My point is simply QB is so much more important than RB. So I'll take Rodgers over AP, and going down the list of QBs, I'll take (if we only had one year) - Brees, Favre, Manning, Rodgers, Brady, and possibly Ben R over AP. I would have taken Warner over AP as well but he's retired now. Possibly Rivers too.

Over Chris Johnson, I'd take Brees, Favre, Manning, Rodgers, and Brady.
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15 years ago
I'd go with Rodgers.

For one reason: ball security.

On the other hand, I would trade the entire OL roster (except Sitton) for AP. 🙂
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Rockmolder
15 years ago

I'd take Peterson over Rodgers, as long as we're talking about what he can be and not what I'm starting to worry he will be if Chilly continues to marginalize him. In terms of just potential, he could be the best ever. But last year proved to me that Chilly would prefer to have a more pass-oriented offensive attack, and that will only hurt a guy like Peterson. He needs to be a workhorse and the featured player in an offense.

Strictly on talent and potential, Peterson gets my vote. But Chilly's not using him the right way, IMO.

"dhazer" wrote:



ILike - If football is like chess, the QB is a Queen and the RB is a Rook. QB > RB. That's how it is.

Look at the greatest QBs of all-time and compare them to the greatest RBs of all time. Most great QBs won championships. Great RBs, as great as they are, rarely do enough to take their teams to championships. That's just how it goes.

Barry Sanders is perhaps the greatest RB I've ever seen. None. Wallie is probably #2. One, and that was due to the best D I've ever seen + a pretty decent QB actually staying healthy an entire year. Jim Brown is supposed to be the greatest ever. One championship. Gale Sayers? Zero. LT is perhaps the best recent RB. Zero.

Now let's look at great QBs (in no order) Montana - 4. Young - 1. Favre - 1, Brady 3, Manning - 1, Elway - 2. Marino's the odd man out.

My point is simply QB is so much more important than RB. So I'll take Rodgers over AP, and going down the list of QBs, I'll take (if we only had one year) - Brees, Favre, Manning, Rodgers, Brady, and possibly Ben R over AP. I would have taken Warner over AP as well but he's retired now. Possibly Rivers too.

Over Chris Johnson, I'd take Brees, Favre, Manning, Rodgers, and Brady.

"zombieslayer" wrote:



Interesting that you want to leave out Franco Harris 4, Emmitt Smith 3, Allen 1, and Thurman Thomas was in 4 and don't forget those other Elite qbs like Trent Dilfer, Jeff Hostetler and Brad Johnson.

"ILikeThePackers39" wrote:



Franco Harris - Terry Bradshaw.

Emmitt Smith - Troy Aikman.

Thurman Thomas - Jim Kelly.

Marcus Allen - Jim Plunkett in his Raiders years.

Sure, you can win a SB without a good QB, but that means that you'll have to have one hell of a supporting cast.

The Ravens needed a defense that rivaled that of the '85 Bears and the Falcons' Grits Blitz defenses. And they needed Jamal Lewis who was running like a man possesed. Tom Brady has never had an amazing running game and his defense has been good, but not that dominant.

Next to that, look at the years that those QBs has when they won the SB.

Dilfer had an amazing play-off run, in which he played the best football of his career. They went "just" 12-4 in the regular season because their QB play killed them quite some times.

Brad Johnson had a 22 TD, 9 Int, 3,049 yard, 62%, 92.3 Rating season when the Bucs won the SB. And, again, that team was winning it with its defense.

Hostetler's run in the play-offs: 510 yards, 59%, 3 TDs, 0 Ints, 92.5 rating. And that was, again, a team build around its defense.
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15 years ago



Interesting that you want to leave out Franco Harris 4, Emmitt Smith 3, Allen 1, and Thurman Thomas was in 4 and don't forget those other Elite qbs like Trent Dilfer, Jeff Hostetler and Brad Johnson.

"dhazer" wrote:



Harris, Allen, and Thomas were not top 10 of all-time RBs by any means. Smith is. Good catch. I missed Smith.

But I've said it before and I'll say it again - to win a SB, most important thing is an elite Defense. Second most important thing is an elite QB. Elite RBs rarely make a difference. It happens. But they're far less important than elite Ds and elite QBs.

You can find exceptions to any rule. But generally, that's your order of importance.

EDIT: Just read what Rock said. Wow. +1
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zombieslayer
15 years ago
I'll give credit where it's due. MM is a dang fine QB coach. Look at Favre's '07 year after a few years where he looked pretty bad (and one I'd like to forget).

Hard to say what would have happened if the Niners took Rodgers instead of Smith. Would Rodgers be an elite QB on the Niners?
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tonyagnese
15 years ago

I'll give credit where it's due. Mike McCarthy is a dang fine QB coach. Look at Favre's '07 year after a few years where he looked pretty bad (and one I'd like to forget).

Hard to say what would have happened if the Niners took Rodgers instead of Smith. Would Rodgers be an elite QB on the Niners?

"zombieslayer" wrote:



Mike McCarthy's forte is QBs, and he has the image of a QB guru after coaching Farve and developing Rodgers (whether or not he is actually one is up to debate, he did pick Alex Smith over Aaron Rodgers and Brian Brohm didn't exactly turn out like expected).
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porky88
15 years ago

I'll give credit where it's due. Mike McCarthy is a dang fine QB coach. Look at Favre's '07 year after a few years where he looked pretty bad (and one I'd like to forget).

Hard to say what would have happened if the Niners took Rodgers instead of Smith. Would Rodgers be an elite QB on the Niners?

"tonyagnese" wrote:



Mike McCarthy's forte is QBs, and he has the image of a QB guru after coaching Farve and developing Rodgers (whether or not he is actually one is up to debate, he did pick Alex Smith over Aaron Rodgers and Brian Brohm didn't exactly turn out like expected).

"zombieslayer" wrote:



Coaching and talent evaluation are two different things. It's certainly possible for McCarty to be a good coach, but an inconsistent judge of college talent. Thus far that might be the case at least among QBs.
dhazer
15 years ago

I'll give credit where it's due. Mike McCarthy is a dang fine QB coach. Look at Favre's '07 year after a few years where he looked pretty bad (and one I'd like to forget).

Hard to say what would have happened if the Niners took Rodgers instead of Smith. Would Rodgers be an elite QB on the Niners?

"zombieslayer" wrote:



I guess Chilly must be a super qb guru if your trying to use Favre to credit MM, Yes Rodgers has surprised me and I am happy he is our qb but I'm still not sold on Fred Flintstone as this so called qb guru.
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Rockmolder
15 years ago

I'll give credit where it's due. Mike McCarthy is a dang fine QB coach. Look at Favre's '07 year after a few years where he looked pretty bad (and one I'd like to forget).

Hard to say what would have happened if the Niners took Rodgers instead of Smith. Would Rodgers be an elite QB on the Niners?

"dhazer" wrote:



I guess Chilly must be a super qb guru if your trying to use Favre to credit Mike McCarthy, Yes Rodgers has surprised me and I am happy he is our qb but I'm still not sold on Fred Flintstone as this so called qb guru.

"zombieslayer" wrote:



It's not all on the coach, but yes, I think that Chilly had something to do with that year, as well. I don't know about his capabilities as a HC, but he's a good QB coach and OC. I think that he's ok as a HC, as well, as long as he can keep his guys in check.
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