I'm with Zero on this. No Oline... nothing else matters. It's not like that's hard to figure out. We won't be establishing an Oline this season, so we can consider the 2009 season as training for our young team.

the Vikings will be representing the NFC north and I'll have to jump on the Favre bandwagon one last time.

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Gotarace.....he wouldn't WANT "great quotes". That wouldn't back up the point he's trying to make.
I admit, my patience is getting thin. I EXPECT more from the Packers this year then last year.
The o-line needs fixing NOW.
Put SOMEONE else in there. I mean, why not? They can't do any worse then what we have seen so far.

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That's why I stopped listening to his public comments. If I don't listen to him using coach non-speak and the rest, then it's easier keeping confidence in him.

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Holy shit people are falling off the train quickly. To each their own as I always say though. We have some rough patches in our game right now.

The o-line is my only issue with this team. They need to make some adjustments. I think letting Lang get some p.t. against the Rams would be one example. Another would be signing a legit free agent.

The defense was lackluster last Sunday. I think it was because they were going against Cinci. Yes, we are playing the Rams this week but I think having a coach on defense such as Capers and Greene, this shit will not fly another week.

Maybe I am too optimistic but it is only week 3 and A LOT of shit can happen in a 16 week schedule. Some people need to stop throwing wood on the fire. I am glad I can keep my chin up after a shitty game like Sunday.

Please, relax.

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In '07, we also had morale. A world of difference.

With morale, you can convince people to do things that they normally can't do. With bad morale, talented people don't reach their potential.

This I pin on the Coach.

Perfect example - Mike Ditka was a horrible playcaller. Horrible. But he instilled morale into that team and they went nuts once the game started.

I won't shed a tear either if Mike McCarthy is let go. I loved him in '07, but he hasn't impressed me since.

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I just woke up (late night). Just checking, though -- was I asleep for several weeks? Did we lose a bunch of games in a row?

I thought we were heading into week three.

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Thank you Evad....same thing I was saying.

+ uno.

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I am reserving judgement on the season but unless someone expected this team to go less than 7-9, they should have been disappointed with last Sunday's performance.

ideally we will gain some confidence against the Rams and feel like we are back on track in terms of player execution living up to the potential.

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Look, we clearly have reasons to be concerned. No one should deny that. We've seen the Pack put in two meaningful games so far and at least one component (the o-line) was uncharacteristically awful both times. Our woes in the passing game -- aside from the drops, which I expect to go away -- are directly attributable to the poor blocking.

The question right now is: are we vastly underperforming or are we just bad? In either case we'll need more than TWO WEEKS to get the verdict. But assume it's scenario one (vastly underperforming): if you are going to have a problem, it might as well be that you are not playing up to your standard. Does anyone think Greg's standard is laying an egg at home? Does anyone think that our admittedly woeful looking o-line's STANDARD is averaging 5 sacks a game?

I gotta tell you, I don't. I think these are correctable mistakes. I'm not saying we'll have an outstanding o-line this year, but Pittsburgh managed to do fairly well last year with a shaky (and that's generous) offensive line. Granted, they had a dominant defense, but you get the point.

We're two weeks in. A lot of the criticism is absolutely deserved. But I'm with Vandermouse -- step away from the ledge, Packer Nation.

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Well, McCarthy can contribute to the turn-around of the O-line by not calling so many goddamn shotgun pass formations. Those D-linemen were able to just fire away full speed on pass rushes for most of the game because we abandoned the run, which meant we also abandoned the play-action, which meant their D-line was playing on their toes instead of their heels.

I mean shit... 4 of Odom's 5 sacks were on outside pass rush moves, right? He takes himself completely out of the play if any of those are rushes, but of course they're not, because McCarthy abandoned the run.

Everyone needs to perform better, coaches and players. Each of their problems made the overriding problem 300% worse.

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