Zero2Cool
2 months ago
I've read a lot about how Jets have all the leverage. Rodgers has all the leverage. Packers have all the leverage. Okay, let's settle this! (🤣, nothing being settled here) 

Rodgers Leverage
Rodgers really has no leverage other than the threat of retiring or showing up to training camp. People act like showing up to camp is some major thing that's gonna force the Packers hand. Pretty sure the franchise can send a player home if they become a distraction. Sure, the media will be around, but if you can't handle the extra media, then maybe you should retire. 

As for Packers or Jets. Neither one of them has all the leverage. In negotiations, when one side has all the leverage, a deal USUALLY gets done for that very reason. One side knows it's bent over and takes what it can get and moves on.

Packers Leverage
The Packers aren't owed to pay Rodgers his bonus until week one of the season, so they really have no immediate urgency on the cash front. If the Packers trade Rodgers, they take on an extra ~$9 million cap hit. Meaning, Rodgers right now is like $31 million cap hit, and once traded he'll be $40 million cap hit. The Packers believe they have their future QB.  Some have said Mark Murphy's comments cost the Packers some leverage and maybe they're right and maybe that's why he's now "sworn to secrecy" on the subject?

Jets Leverage
The Jets likely want Aaron Rodgers in their building sooner than later. My guess is if they can get him officially before minicamp, they'll be just fine. Rodgers would probably be OK missing everything up to training camp (he did win back to back MVP's while missing chunks of the off-season). Jets have a pretty decent roster minus QB and there really aren't many other QB's out there and the Jets have shot their wad all over everyone's face about wanting Rodgers. 


Something I've pondered out loud. There was a lot of chatter that Rodgers was going to retire and then it was said no one walks from $60 million (ahh, Dave Chappelle anyone?). We all noticed Rodgers embracing Cobb out of the tunnel during that final game, right? What if the Packers got the same sense of retirement and granted Jets permission to keep him in playing so they could get compensation and maybe some cash (not cap) relief? I know, I know, put my tin foil hat back on the ground! haha



What says you? Where am I wrong? Where am I right? What are your thoughts?
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beast
2 months ago
Whom are you saying has the leverage?

I agree with the idea that everyone when nuts with talking about leverage and going to the extremes.


Where I feel like as far as leverage goes they're tied together, as it takes two to tango, and there are only two on the dance floor... QBs need an elite QB, no other elite QB is currently available, Packers need to get rid of elite QB contract... they need each other and they're both screwed if they don't work together.

I think the Packers are a bit more screwed if still holding Rodgers contract, but they can always do a last minute trade to another team for a low ball offer just to get rid of the contract.


But mostly I think it's more about deadlines.

What is the Jets deadline for the trade to happen? Whenever they need Rodgers in the building working with others, so mini camp or training camp.

What is the Packers deadline? Well, if they want draft picks for the 2023 draft, then the draft is their deadline.

So I think the Jets have slightly more leverage because the Packers deadline is sooner, but again, it takes two to tango, they're in this together, unless either can find another team to tango with.
dhazer
2 months ago
I believe all the leverage belongs to the Packers. The Packers have restructured contracts to give them plenty of capspace to eat Rodgers $60 million hit if they have to. As was stated numerous times that the sports writers refuse to look at is that right now it is cheaper for the Packers to have Rodgers under contract than not. As Kevin said above his cap hit is $31 million right now and if he is traded we have a cap hit of $40 million so it costs us $9 million to get rid of him. Also the bonus doesn't have to be paid till week one of the season so whats the rush? It would be nice to get the Jets picks this year but we won't die without them, and if we wait till June 1st than we get to split the bonus cap hit into the following 2 years which would free up around $23 million this year. And if we wait we demand 2 1sts than seeing we won't receive any compensation this year. And honestly do you think the Jets will be any better? Has anyone looked at their schedule they have both Super Bowl teams plus the AFC East teams, also included are Giants Cowboys, Redskins and Chargers and Raiders. I don't see them making it to 500 so the picks should be pretty good.


Now Rodgers leverage is simple he has none against the Packers. He retires or he tries to come to the team and the Packers send him home like the Raiders with Carr. We all know he will not retire and it's not even the money it's the fact he would be the opening act for Tom Brady at the HOF ceremony.


The Jets have no leverage at all either as they have gone all in already by sending everyone they could fit on the plane to go and kiss Rodgers ass. They have signed guys to make him happy and they got their fanbase all riled up about Rodgers. They back away from the trade and the fanbase will go crazy and they run with Zack Wilson and waste another year of rookie contracts.

So like I said I see the Packers holding all the cards and the Jets are in a no win situation. After the Moore trade I think the Packers get a 1st and 2nd  and we all move on.
Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be 🙂
beast
2 months ago
Originally Posted by: dhazer 

I believe all the leverage belongs to the Packers. The Packers have restructured contracts to give them plenty of capspace to eat Rodgers $60 million hit if they have to. As was stated numerous times that the sports writers refuse to look at is that right now it is cheaper for the Packers to have Rodgers under contract than not. As Kevin said above his cap hit is $31 million right now and if he is traded we have a cap hit of $40 million so it costs us $9 million to get rid of him. Also the bonus doesn't have to be paid till week one of the season so whats the rush? It would be nice to get the Jets picks this year but we won't die without them, and if we wait till June 1st than we get to split the bonus cap hit into the following 2 years which would free up around $23 million this year. And if we wait we demand 2 1sts than seeing we won't receive any compensation this year. And honestly do you think the Jets will be any better? Has anyone looked at their schedule they have both Super Bowl teams plus the AFC East teams, also included are Giants Cowboys, Redskins and Chargers and Raiders. I don't see them making it to 500 so the picks should be pretty good.


Now Rodgers leverage is simple he has none against the Packers. He retires or he tries to come to the team and the Packers send him home like the Raiders with Carr. We all know he will not retire and it's not even the money it's the fact he would be the opening act for Tom Brady at the HOF ceremony.


The Jets have no leverage at all either as they have gone all in already by sending everyone they could fit on the plane to go and kiss Rodgers ass. They have signed guys to make him happy and they got their fanbase all riled up about Rodgers. They back away from the trade and the fanbase will go crazy and they run with Zack Wilson and waste another year of rookie contracts.

So like I said I see the Packers holding all the cards and the Jets are in a no win situation. After the Moore trade I think the Packers get a 1st and 2nd  and we all move on.

The June 1st thing is stupid and pointless... people keep talking about freeing up money this year, but why free up the money this year when they aren't going to spend it this year? Packers are clearly just saving money for the future right now.

And fans being upset does not give anyone leverage as teams can ignore fans, see Commanders fans being pissed for a decade gives no leverage in getting Dan Synder out of there...

This is basically yin and yang.

If Jets want Rodgers, they have to work with the Packers, and if the Packers want the most for Rodgers, it seems like they're going to have to work with the Jets.

Neither has more leverage as they're both stuck in non-ideal spots without the other.
 
Zero2Cool
2 months ago
If we examine the financial side of things. It behooves the Packers to trade Rodgers after June 1st.

Cut Pre-June 1st → $99,778,570 → ($68,155,000)
Cut Post-June 1st → $75,298,570 → ($43,675,000)
Trade Pre-June 1st → $40,313,570 → ($8,690,000)
Trade Post-June 1st → $15,833,570 → $15,790,000

Regarding salary cap, that's about $23 million swing in favor of the Packers by waiting until June 1st to trade Rodgers.
 
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dhazer
2 months ago
Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

If we examine the financial side of things. It behooves the Packers to trade Rodgers after June 1st.

Cut Pre-June 1st → $99,778,570 → ($68,155,000)
Cut Post-June 1st → $75,298,570 → ($43,675,000)
Trade Pre-June 1st → $40,313,570 → ($8,690,000)
Trade Post-June 1st → $15,833,570 → $15,790,000

Regarding salary cap, that's about $23 million swing in favor of the Packers by waiting until June 1st to trade Rodgers.
 



Good layout to exactly what I said up there with freeing up $23 million this year 😉
Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be 🙂
Zero2Cool
2 months ago
Originally Posted by: dhazer 

Good layout to exactly what I said up there with freeing up $23 million this year ;)



No, not really, because you have some erroneous information in your spiel. I went with cold hard facts baby!!! You also blended cash and cap hit as one, when they are in fact different. 😉
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beast
2 months ago
Is there any reason to kick the cap space to this year, if we're not planning on using any of it this year?

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​​​​​​THe way we're currently spending in FA, we're just going to kick it back to next year anyways...
Zero2Cool
2 months ago
Originally Posted by: beast 

Is there any reason to kick the cap space to this year, if we're not planning on using any of it this year?
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​​​​​​THe way we're currently spending in FA, we're just going to kick it back to next year anyways...



If you're talking about Aaron Rodgers cap space, it's not going to be kicked back regardless of post or pre June 1.  And to answer your question, because the team can use the space this year for extensions on expiring contracts like Rashan Gary, AJ Dillon, Yosh Nijman or maybe they use the 2024 cap space to fill some holes via free agency?

Maybe my brain is fried and I'm not comprehending things. So, I'm gonna post this here and revisit tomorrow. But this is my thinking/understanding -- trading after June 1st is huge win for Packers salary cap.

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beast
2 months ago
Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

And to answer your question, because the team can use the space this year for extensions on expiring contracts like Rashan Gary, AJ Dillon, Yosh Nijman or maybe they use the 2024 cap space to fill some holes via free agency?

Your actually using more 2024 cap space if you trade him after June 1st, so 2024 free agents would be a bad reason to wait to June 1st.

As far as extensions, they usually take up the least amount of cap space in their first year as the signing bonus is usually their 1st year pay, but the signing bonus gets spread over multiple years of the contract.


So they most likely can give those extensions either way.
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Zero2Cool
2 months ago
Originally Posted by: beast 

Your actually using more 2024 cap space if you trade him after June 1st, so 2024 free agents would be a bad reason to wait to June 1st.

As far as extensions, they usually take up the least amount of cap space in their first year as the signing bonus is usually their 1st year pay, but the signing bonus gets spread over multiple years of the contract.


So they most likely can give those extensions either way.
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Arw you looking at the images I posted? If so, can you explain how more free space is meaning less? I'm not being dick, I'm seriously confused. 
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beast
2 months ago
Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

Arw you looking at the images I posted? If so, can you explain how more free space is meaning less? I'm not being dick, I'm seriously confused.

The images show the one year results, of a trade. Which a post June 1st trade is not a one year event, it's a two year event. So the post June 1st image is lacking information.

Let's start with, what is dead cap space? Dead cap space is money that 100% has already been paid out. (Rounding to make the numbers simpler). So the $40.3 million is already 100% in Aaron Rodgers bank account, which is why it's dead. They simply have not yet accounted for it. And they need to account for it 100%.


In a Pre-June Trade, the team has to account for it 100% in the first year, so 100% of the $40.3 million in 2023 cap space.

Pre-June Trade Cap hit
2023: $40.3
2024: $0

In a Post-June Trade, the team accounts for the same exact amount over the next two years (splitting it using NFL accounting rules which is a different subject, just assume the images 2023 numbers are right) and it's a $15.8 hit for 2023.

Post-June Trade Cap hits
2023: $15.8
2024: ?????

But what the remaining amount for 2024? Your images doesn't tell you that. Well, the Packers have to account for 100% of the $40.3 and so far they only accounted for $15.8... this means they have to account for the remainder ($24.5) in 2024. So it's 

June Trade Cap Hits
2023: $40.3
2024: $0
Total: $40.3

vs
Post-June Trade Cap Hits
2023: $15.8
2024: $24.5
Total: $40.3

So what I was saying, is your making more free space in 2023 (which we're not using) just to take that same amount away from 2024... but it all equals out, so unless you're going to spend that extra cash in 2023 (which we're not seemingly paying many FAs and extensions are almost always back loaded based on NFL accounting rules), there is no reason to wait for June and miss out on 2023 draft picks, unless the GM doesn't like the draft and thinks 2024 draft will be much better group of prospects.
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And if you want a link to match what I'm saying

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/aaron-rodgers-3745/ 

They give you more information (look at the cap hits) and notice even they don't talk about the 2024 cap space.
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Bottom line, unless you're absolutely desperate for cap space now (Packers aren't) or going to use it on FAs in 2023 (Packers don't seem to be), the post June thing is pointless as it all evens out next year. 

If you want draft picks in 2023 draft or not is much more important.
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Zero2Cool
2 months ago
The images I showed are saying different than what you said. Each line is a year. 

2023
2024
2025
2026

Maybe I just stinks at math's too though 🤷
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beast
2 months ago
Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

The images I showed are saying different than what you said. Each line is a year. 

2023
2024
2025
2026

Maybe I just stinks at math's too though 🤷


That's because I'm talking about only a 2023 Rodgers trade.

Meanwhile the image is showing you the one year results of trading Rodgers in each year. So the one year results of he's traded in 2023.

Then the one year results if he's traded in 2024.

Then the one year results if he's traded in 2025.

Then the one year results if he's traded in 2026.


The images is showing you the one year results of 4 different trade possiblity with the different possiblity being by year.

Where you appear to be thinking of the image as one single trade possiblity into four years. 
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Zero2Cool
2 months ago
Originally Posted by: beast 

Where you appear to be thinking of the image as one single trade possiblity into four years. ​​​​



You're saying each year line is suggesting a post-June trade for that year? Rather than the effects of a trade post-June 2023 solely?
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beast
2 months ago
Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

You're saying each year line is suggesting a post-June trade for that year? Rather than the effects of a trade post-June 2023 solely?

Yes, that's what I'm saying.

It's set up for fans can quickly look at a random players contract and figure out which single year they want to suggest to release or trade a certain player.
Zero2Cool
2 months ago
Originally Posted by: beast 

Yes, that's what I'm saying.

It's set up for fans can quickly look at a random players contract and figure out which single year they want to suggest to release or trade a certain player.



Well, W.T.F!  I give up trying to understand this crap. lol

But I will say, even with that understanding, it still seems like Packers get $23 million less damage by post-june 1st trade 
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beast
2 months ago
Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

Well, W.T.F!  I give up trying to understand this crap. lol


🤣 

The NFL accounting system (for the average contract) is actually a lot simpler than people realize, but the first you got to stop paying attention to the media because they don't know what they hell they're talking about and make it a hell lot more confusing than it needs to be. I think spottac does the best at breaking it down.

Note: Rodgers has a contract set up like Andrew Brandt has never seen before, so not average, and I don't want to get into that hot mess.

But one suggestion I keep telling people, if you want to be ahead on the cap information, stop following the cap! Why? The cap does nothing but follow the money on a delay, so if you want to be ahead of the cap, simply follow the money (which is a hell lot easier for people to understand).

For example, look at Elgton Jenkins spottac contract... and just scroll all the way to the right where it says cash details
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/elgton-jenkins-29080/#:~:text=Elgton%20Jenkins%20signed%20a%204,average%20annual%20salary%20of%20%2417%2C000%2C000 .

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If media and fans simply followed the cash details instead of the cap, they would actually know what they're talking about a lot more, as cash basic is what people are used to, so it's what naturally makes sense to them, there is nothing to learn other than what is future guaranteed money (which is kinda self-explained).

Also, the cap is just a man made manipulated accounting system. And people have trouble with the manipulations, and want to lock things in when they shouldn't be, as teams can and will change things whenever they want.

And again, the cap simply follows the cash details on a delay, so if you're up on the cash details, then you're actually ahead of the cap.

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beast
2 months ago
Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

Well, W.T.F!  I give up trying to understand this crap. lol

But I will say, even with that understanding, it still seems like Packers get $23 million less damage by post-june 1st trade 

Nope, once again, the total damage is the exact same, just a matter much you kick back to the 2024 cap. If the Packers have an absolutely need for cap space in 2023, it might make sense, but if they don't, then it doesn't matter.

Pre-June Trade Cap Hit
2023: $40.3
2024: $0
Total: $40.3

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Post-June Trade Cap Hit
2023: $15.8
2024: $24.5
Total: $40.3
Zero2Cool
2 months ago
Originally Posted by: beast 

Nope, once again, the total damage is the exact same, just a matter much you kick back to the 2024 cap. If the Packers have an absolutely need for cap space in 2023, it might make sense, but if they don't, then it doesn't matter.



I can't stress this enough, not being a dick, but how the hell do you know this? lol I feel numbers should be so freaking easy, but each time I think 'EUREKA' it turns out I'm a confused as a three dollar bill!

I appreciate your patience and effort on this btw.
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beast
2 months ago
Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

I can't stress this enough, not being a dick, but how the hell do you know this? lol I feel numbers should be so freaking easy, but each time I think 'EUREKA' it turns out I'm a confused as a three dollar bill!

I appreciate your patience and effort on this btw.

That's like asking me how I know NFL rules. I watch the game, and learn the rules and research stuff when it doesn't make sense to me. It probably also helps that I work in accounting. Like how do you know how to set up and develop a website? Oh, you work.in tech.

The cap is simply an accounting system set up by the NFL to spread signing bonuses equally over the first 5 year of contract signed. (Or less if the contract is less than 5 years).

If a players is released or traded, then 100% of the unaccounted for signing bonus (that was spread into future years) must be fully accounted for in the next following year.

With the exception if they use a post June destination when cutting said players (teams get two post June destination per year) or if the team actually waits until post June, then it must be fully accounted for in the next two years.

The NFL accounting is a hell lot simpler than GAAP accounting.


The really hard part is when media and fans start talking about Dead cap and Cap Hits, because it involves money that's already been paid out in years past but has not been accounted for. 

People  understand paid money that's been accounted for and unpaid money that has not been accounted for... as that's basically cash basis which is simply dealing with cash money.

It the accrual basis that confuses the hell out of people, which is simply money that was paid out at a previous time, but they have not yet accounted for it being paid out.


I remember on here, Julius Peppers had a cap hit for like $15 million, and people were demanding he take a reduction. One person said he needed to come down to $12 million for this year.

But here the thing, he's contract call for only $12 millions in new money for that year, with accounting for an additional $3 million in dead money which he was already paid and was basically his first year pay.

So for long term contracts, the first year pay is usually mostly wrapped up in signing bonus, which is the spread equally over the first 5 years of however long the contract is, which is why the deals are backloaded and you don't need as much money for the first year of an extension.
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Zero2Cool
2 months ago
Originally Posted by: beast 

That's like asking me how I know NFL rules. I watch the game, and learn the rules and research stuff when it doesn't make sense to me. It probably also helps that I work in accounting. Like how do you know how to set up and develop a website? Oh, you work.in tech.​ 



The rules are in a book that can be read, so that's how I'd guess you knew the rules. I know a lot of people who watch football and have zero clue about the rules. As for how do I know how to setup a website? I was doing it for fun far before professionally and the how is trial and error and reading. 

So, I really am not sure I understand how you know how the contract is going to work without seeing the contract itself. That is what confuses me most about these websites that have the contract numbers. They have a general principle to them -- I assume. You mentioned dead cap, cap hit, and all that. That's where the confusion is with me as well. I see many outlets saying X and then Y for the same exact thing. It's like they see a car and they call it a Pinto, and then someone else confidently calls it an Escort. And if you don't know the difference, you're just left thinking it's a tiny car. Granted, most probably couldn't give a damn. 

I've been reading things here and there, and I still think it's better to trade Aaron Rodgers post-June 1st.  If it's about paying this year vs next year, I'd rather post June. The numbers just look better for Packers. Couldn't they use that freed up cap space for signing bonus on the guys I mentioned before? Then again, our 2024 roster doesn't have too many players signed so maybe the pay me now approach is better than pay me later.

All in all here, I am glad I don't gotta do this crap for a living. The NFL makes things too complicated.
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beast
2 months ago
Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 


I've been reading things here and there, and I still think it's better to trade Aaron Rodgers post-June 1st.  If it's about paying this year vs next year, I'd rather post June. The numbers just look better for Packers. Couldn't they use that freed up cap space for signing bonus on the guys I mentioned before? Then again, our 2024 roster doesn't have too many players signed so maybe the pay me now approach is better than pay me later.

All in all here, I am glad I don't gotta do this crap for a living. The NFL makes things too complicated.

You're confusing cash vs accounting again.

Signing guys to extensions with signing bonus will cost the Packers a lot of cash but it'll actually free up accounting because the signing bonuses get spread over the first 5 years of the contract.

So no, we don't need more cap space for extensions, as the extensions themselves will free up the cap space (but get rid of cash).


Also, have you considered this, if you wait to June to trade Rodgers, that means the Packers don't get a single draft pick for Rodgers in 2023, because the draft happens before June.

The only reasons to wait post June are1) Too piss off the Jets and Rodgers and demand more.
2) Sign FAs in 2023
3) Sign 2023 draft picks (looks like they're going to cost about $11 million)


But considering the Packers don't seem to even be attempting to do #2... and they already have the cap space for #3 .... the question becomes is #1 worth it enough to miss out of additional 2023 draft picks?

And that depends on what the Jets are offering and if you truly believe you can squeeze out more from them.
Zero2Cool
2 months ago
Originally Posted by: beast 

You're confusing cash vs accounting again.


My friend, I assure you, there are much more things that I an confusing that just those two! I did however hear someone say the Post June 1 trade means Packers hit $15  million on 2023 and $24 million on 2024 which is what I think you were trying to get through my dumb skull. 

So, with that understood (cross fingers), I would suspect the Packers complete the trade in the month of MAY. Why you ask? My golly gosh I am so tickled you asked! I think the Packers want 2024 draft capital more than they want 2023 draft capital as they presumably know they will not get 13th overall. My reasoning is simple. Salary Cap space. I don't think they're tanking in 2023, however, I do feel they know they're gonna need a year of "meh" and not swing for the fences. And two 1st round draft picks? I mean ... money money money.


I'd like to bounce something else into this thread. Do you think it irks Aaron Rodgers that the Jets felt the likes of Chad Pennington, Mark Sanchez, Sam Darnold and 
Zach Wilson were all worth 1st round pick, but he isn't? I mean, assuming Packers want a first round and assuming Jets are refusing -- of course.  Do you also think Rodgers wants to be traded for a higher pick than Brett Favre was? I know it sounds trivial and stupid, but athletes are competitive as heck. And we all know Rodgers can hold a grudge. 

Something else flew between my ears. What if the trade compensation is completed/agreed but the hang up is the "adjustment" to Aaron Rodgers contract? Rodgers chose his words carefully when he told Pat McAfee that his decision to play was not what was hanging things up. I would have to listen to it again, but I believe he was focusing his words about him not being the issue pertaining to his desire to play/not play. Either way, it makes me curious.
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beast
2 months ago
Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 


So, with that understood (cross fingers), I would suspect the Packers complete the trade in the month of MAY. Why you ask? My golly gosh I am so tickled you asked! I think the Packers want 2024 draft capital more than they want 2023 draft capital as they presumably know they will not get 13th overall. My reasoning is simple. Salary Cap space. I don't think they're tanking in 2023, however, I do feel they know they're gonna need a year of "meh" and not swing for the fences. And two 1st round draft picks? I mean ... money money money.


I'd like to bounce something else into this thread. Do you think it irks Aaron Rodgers that the Jets felt the likes of Chad Pennington, Mark Sanchez, Sam Darnold and Zach Wilson were all worth 1st round pick, but he isn't? I mean, assuming Packers want a first round and assuming Jets are refusing -- of course.  


That's assuming they can get better value from the Jets in 2024, which might be correct, but I'm not sure it is, and expect the Jets are refusing to give up a 1st in any year for a player that was 90% going to retire a month ago.

And I think Rodgers understands a team wanting to pay as little as possible. Fun fact: Jets are one of the few teams that did not pass on drafting him in 2005, of course they did draft a Kicker in round 2 ahead of Nick Collins and many others, so yeah.

I think the Packers are rebuilding (at least for a year), or reloading if you prefer, but I think they'd want those picks now as rookies often take at least a year to gel and this way they'll be ready to go next year.


Also, I'm wild guessing here, but I think the Packers are going to be drafting offense because both we need offensive players and to try to make Love look more successful.

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Cheesey (2-Jun) : But I guess someone must, as they show that crap in TV. So someone cares about who's house is sold. You and I aren't ones that do!😁
Cheesey (2-Jun) : I know. I don't get why anyone would want to watch "Honey Boo Boo", or knocked up teens, or Kardashians. What a waste of time and effort.
Zero2Cool (2-Jun) : I would like more stories about the players, their lives, etc ... not former this/that house sold. Just me, I'm not the ruler of the world ... Y-E-T!!! muwahahaha
Zero2Cool (2-Jun) : I'm sure a lot of people find it interesting. Some people all like to watch grass grow and paint dry. That's the beauty of life!!
Cheesey (2-Jun) : There must be some people that care about who's home is being sold. Just like who cares what trashy family does what on TV.
beast (2-Jun) : Maybe a Mint Mobile 😋 jk
Zero2Cool (2-Jun) : That's all I gotta say bout that. Wanna mint?
Zero2Cool (2-Jun) : WHO FREAKING CARES ABOUT PLAYERS/COACHES SELLING HOUSES!!!
Mucky Tundra (2-Jun) : @RichRymanPG Former #Packers kicker Mason Crosby sells Green Bay house. Packers all-time leading scorer remains a free agent.
Cheesey (1-Jun) : That's what SHE said!🤪
Zero2Cool (31-May) : best of all, i'm cheap!!!
Zero2Cool (31-May) : they'd be better off signing me at QB. believe me, i won't be any threat and I can throw a great 25 yarder!!!
buckeyepackfan (31-May) : Time to sign a vet qb! 🤣🤣
Zero2Cool (31-May) : Jordan deep over the middle. SAVAGE picks him off.
Zero2Cool (31-May) : 😉 Alan
Cheesey (31-May) : Kevin, you ARE very smart! ( You clueless dork!)🤟😁😜😁
Zero2Cool (31-May) : What are the benefits?
umair_010 (31-May) : I drink it every week. There is a store in Chicago that sells it. You have to sign a waiver saying its for pets and not human consumption
Zero2Cool (31-May) : Alan, I'm probably the smartest clueless dork ya know lol
Cheesey (31-May) : Creamed spinach on cornbread! Yummy!!!
Cheesey (31-May) : Zero, you don't know about cornbread? Good stuff!
Cheesey (31-May) : We had a friend in north Wisconsin that had a cow. We would have fresh milk. So good! Hard to go back to the other stuff.
Zero2Cool (30-May) : my dad does and swears by it
umair_010 (30-May) : Any of you from Wisconsin drink raw milk?
Zero2Cool (30-May) : What is cornbread? Is that like redneck gluten free bread?
Cheesey (29-May) : I just bought cornbread at Pick n' Save today! Not kidding!!
dfosterf (29-May) : Heated cornbred with butter is one of the most awesome things on the planet. I just read that it is thankfully dying with my fellow generation.
Zero2Cool (29-May) : Congrats buddy!!
Martha Careful (29-May) : Thanks to all the men and women and their families who gave the ultimate sacrifice for our country
buckeyepackfan (28-May) : Congrats go.pack.go!!! That's fantastic!!
Martha Careful (28-May) : congratulations. What a great blessing.
Cheesey (28-May) : Congrats. Your a lucky man
dfosterf (28-May) : Congrats!
beast (27-May) : Come back to Earth, your lady and son will need you, to help get enough sleep!
wpr (27-May) : That's wonderful gopackgo
Mucky Tundra (27-May) : Congrats go.pack.go!
go.pack.go. (27-May) : My son was born on 5/25 @ 12:40pm. I’m over the moon
Zero2Cool (26-May) : Like there is anything wrong with Monopoly.
Mucky Tundra (26-May) : @TaylorBisciotti #Raiders WR Davante Adams on his every word being analyzed: "If you're that bored, go play Monopoly or some sh*t"
Cheesey (25-May) : Why? It never stopped you before! CHEESEY strikes again!😁😜
Zero2Cool (25-May) : Hey, I wonder why I even post at times. I've disabled my account just so I don't say more stupid crap.
Cheesey (25-May) : You are right Zero! The fact that I come to this site proves I don't "think"!: I keed too!😜🤪
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