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2 months ago
CBs are usually extremely hard to find mid-season which makes the Packers finding CB Douglas amazing find especially since other teams didn't seem to work for him.

But if CB Alexander is injured, Packers will need to go looking around for other CBs.

Honestly, if I was GM (and after talking with the coaches to see if they would want him back), I honestly might call CB Kevin King's agent just to see if he's been working out, and possibly willing to do a workout.

I'd also be calling the 0-3 Raiders are asking what they would want for rookie contract, 23 year old, stud slot CB Nate Hobbs... and they would probably hang up the phone after they got done laughing, but I'd still give it a shot, especially since our current CBs seem to be better on the outside. But Hobbs on PFF currently has a 79.7 coverage grade and an 88.8 run stopping grade.

After that, look at the Texans (0-2-1) looking to find out what they'd want for CBs Steven Nelson and Desmond King II...

Nelson is Mr. Reliable often having some of the highest snaps counts season after season, but has only once finished in PFFs top 32 CBs , though three times in the top 36... but too often falls in the 50s range, that being said... if you break his grade down further, Nelson has the 12th best coverage grade... so why is his defensive grade so bad? Well... he's almost got the worst grade for run stopping at 83rd of 85 CBs. Nelson is mainly an outside CB though and in the past has gotten upset that teams don't think he's a starter and asked for his release. But lots of experience and only 29 years old.

But you know what, Packers CB Douglas current grades are 3rd in coverage but 84th in run stopping. And we like Douglas.

Desmond King II is another slot only guy, as he doesn't have the speed and some have thought he should be at S. King needs to be in zone as he doesn't have the pure speed for man, and King's key is versatility, while he's coverage score is below average, his run stopping is up, his pass rushing is higher (though Barry might not use that).


One other, I'd call up, and I'm thinking our Zero2Cool will hate this, but...

Call up the Falcons and ask what they might want for 33 year old CB Casey Hayward... I am not saying pull the trigger, but ask for the trade price... Hayward has show that in the right zone heavy system he can consistently finish in PFF's top 20 grades... though he's gone down lately... we just need a reliable slot guy to hold down the fort until Alexander is back. And instead of being their #1 he can be our #3 or #4.


And if you want someone younger, less proven, ask the Falcons about Mike Ford, whom has mainly been a backup on the Lions, but has looked good in limited duty.


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2 months ago
You mean WR and oline men.
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2 months ago
Originally Posted by: bboystyle 

You mean WR and oline men.


I think the Packers might be alright with Bakhtiari, Runyan, Myers, Jenkins and Nijman

And JC Tretter is out there, though he claimed he will refuse to sign with anyone, as he thinks he was blacked balled due to Union stuff.

At WR there is Winfree on the PS, he's already played in 2 of our first 3 games.
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2 months ago
Nixon looked very good yesterday. I am not sure they want to sped draft capital on a CB. Everything hinges on JA's injury. How serious is it? If he's out for a couple of weeks they stand pat.
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2 months ago
Originally Posted by: wpr 

Nixon looked very good yesterday. I am not sure they want to sped draft capital on a CB. Everything hinges on JA's injury. How serious is it? If he's out for a couple of weeks they stand pat.

As I was watching the game yesterday it seems like our CBS get torched alot, I'm not a stat lookup guy but I would think Stokes would actually be our top CB. I never hear his name unless it's helping on run stops. I know I made comments during the game that Jaire wants to cover the best one-on-one but he was getting beat by a TE yesterday. I am wondering if this defense is more accustomed to running Douglas and Stokes on the outside and running Jaire in the slot? As you said some slot CBs you mentioned are slow and we know Jaire isn't slow so let's move him to the slot and let the defense roll that way. It worked last year why change up the plan? Thoughts as you are awesome with the numbers.


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2 months ago
is it the CB's or Barry's play calling?
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2 months ago
One thing for sure, if we lose Gary or Clark up front, this D will get exposed. Secondary looks decent so far because of the pas rush. I think we are top 3 if not #1 in QB pressures so far. Once teams negate that, our CBs will have to step up otherwise we are in deep doo doo.
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2 months ago
Originally Posted by: packerfanwayoutwest 

is it the CB's or Barry's play calling?



Barry has done a great job so far with the talent he has. He is utilizing them perfectly compared to Pettine who forced players to fit his scheme. That last series though is very troubling and hopefully he sees that. This isnt the 90s or early 00's where playing soft or prevent D will help u stop and win a game on D. Its been shown time and time again that it does the opposite. If we were up more than 3 points with less than a minute left, i accept that type of coverage. But even so, the D was shutting the Bucs O down all game long and going soft was unnecessary
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Originally Posted by: dhazer 

As I was watching the game yesterday it seems like our CBS get torched alot, I'm not a stat lookup guy but I would think Stokes would actually be our top CB. I never hear his name unless it's helping on run stops. I know I made comments during the game that Jaire wants to cover the best one-on-one but he was getting beat by a TE yesterday. I am wondering if this defense is more accustomed to running Douglas and Stokes on the outside and running Jaire in the slot? As you said some slot CBs you mentioned are slow and we know Jaire isn't slow so let's move him to the slot and let the defense roll that way. It worked last year why change up the plan? Thoughts as you are awesome with the numbers.



PFF gave Stokes a 75.9 and Douglas 73.5 both in the top 5 for defense. Nixon was in the bottom 5 with a 55.8 which isn't terrible for CB4.
As for putting JA in the slot, sometimes it will make sense but not on a regular basis. It doesn't make sense to put an elite CB on a possible WR3 for most of the game.

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2 months ago



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2 months ago
Give Nixon a chance. Please don’t go for King, he’s hot garbage.
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2 months ago
Originally Posted by: dhazer 

I am wondering if this defense is more accustomed to running Douglas and Stokes on the outside and running Jaire in the slot? As you said some slot CBs you mentioned are slow and we know Jaire isn't slow so let's move him to the slot and let the defense roll that way. It worked last year why change up the plan? Thoughts as you are awesome with the numbers.



Originally Posted by: wpr 

As for putting JA in the slot, sometimes it will make sense but not on a regular basis. It doesn't make sense to put an elite CB on a possible WR3 for most of the game.



If you want to talk from a pure coverage respective, I think Alexander in the slot and Douglas and Stokes outside make the most sense...

But there is a reason the Packers don't do this and one of the announcers has mentioned it, and sounded like they got it from the Packers coaches... and that reason is run fits and the run game.

The slot CB has to run fit and play physical in the run game and battle TEs and sometimes OL in that regard, and while I don't think anyone doubts Alexander's mental willingness to do this... the question remains, would his smaller frame hold up? Especially after the injury last year or was it two days ago?

The Packers seem to want to keep Alexander safe by not forcing his body into extra run battles, and that's one reason Gute mentioned putting Douglas these this off-season, he's a bigger body and smart.


Personally, I've always wondered what Savage would look like in the slot, as in very limited small samples he has looked like he'd be amazing, but we just haven't had the quality S depth to take him away from S.
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Originally Posted by: go.pack.go. 

Give Nixon a chance. Please don’t go for King, he’s hot garbage.



I don't think this is about Nixon as much as it's about the Packers are down to just four healthy CBs on their roster... they need another healthy CB body.

And maybe that's move Savage over to CB and use a different S in Savages spot. But surely they'll look at Nixon too.

There is also the PS, which I can't access Packers.com because the internet is telling me that it's not safe for whatever reason. But guys can be brought up for 3 games, and for the DBs, I think we only brought up a Safety once.
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Originally Posted by: go.pack.go. 

Give Nixon a chance. Please don’t go for King, he’s hot garbage.



I don't think this is about Nixon as much as it's about the Packers are down to just four healthy CBs on their roster... they need another healthy CB body.

And maybe that's move Savage over to CB and use a different S in Savages spot. But surely they'll look at Nixon too.

There is also the PS, which I can't access Packers.com because the internet is telling me that it's not safe for whatever reason. But guys can be brought up for 3 games, and for the DBs, I think we only brought up a Safety once.
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2 months ago
The DBs currently on the practice squad are:

CB Benjie Franklin
CB Kiondre Thomas
S Micah Abernathy
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