dyeah_gb
3 years ago
Curious what everyone thinks. He had possession but the ground caused the ball to come out. Isn't that still completion based on the current rules? Am I biased in thinking the Refs screwed us this game?
The first principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool - R. Feynman
nerdmann
3 years ago

Curious what everyone thinks. He had possession but the ground caused the ball to come out. Isn't that still completion based on the current rules? Am I biased in thinking the Refs screwed us this game?

Originally Posted by: dyeah_gb 



It's part of the sport under Goodell. This season they've also been deciding games based upon "taunting" calls.

When we had real Commisioners, gambling wasn't allowed anywhere near the NFL. Remember when Hornung was suspended?

Now we have "official gambling sponsors" to the NFL. This is what you get.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
bboystyle
3 years ago

Curious what everyone thinks. He had possession but the ground caused the ball to come out. Isn't that still completion based on the current rules? Am I biased in thinking the Refs screwed us this game?

Originally Posted by: dyeah_gb 




That only occurs when in the endzone where a football move isnt needed for a completion. Just like Kings INT last week vs Wilson.

I will say, refs were calling holding calls on us all game and NONE on the vikings when they were blantantly doing so.
beast
3 years ago

Curious what everyone thinks. He had possession but the ground caused the ball to come out. Isn't that still completion based on the current rules? Am I biased in thinking the Refs screwed us this game?

Originally Posted by: dyeah_gb 



I would say he did not yet have possession before going to the ground based on the current rules, as he didn't take 3 steps nor make a football move, before becoming to the ground.

That being said, I didn't get a good enough view of it, it looked.like his hand was mostly underneath the ball and while it popped up, he still re-caught the ball before it touched the ground without him holding it.

Because (I think his hand was underneath it), I think that's one of those calls where normally the review sticks with the call on the field.

Like when the NFL apploged to the Vikings owner publicly but a Harvin catch that was reviewed into a drop where the ball hit the ground and moved but Harvin was mostly underneath it. They apologize publicly because usually that call goes without for the first call on the field was.

So I feel like it could of gone either way... and should of stuck with whatever the original call was, but if his hands wasn't under it as well as I thought (again, I need a better replay), then I understand them over turning it.

Then again, I still say that Harvin play was a drop and that when they stick with these plays they're normal wrong...

So I think the refs got it right, but only if that's what they're going to consistently call.

Too often the tie automatically goes to the offense... which considering the rules and ball control are also in the offensive favor, I feel like that's BS.

UserPostedImage
nerdmann
3 years ago
Seems like the calls all went one way today, or disproportionately so.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
hardrocker950
3 years ago
Tough call on that play - really comes down to how you interpret the rules. My opinion - pick. He caught the ball, knee down, ball was out AFTER... yet the league keeps that loophole of "controlling the ball through the process" - which means if the ball touches the ground anytime after the catch (even when it was clearly in posession) they can take it away.

Side note - we got hosed by the refs at every turn today. Every nice run - hold. Every impact play on D - flag. Yet - Jefferson pushed off to get open all day, not a single flag for it. Queens held constantly, no calls.

If this is how the officiating is going to be from now on, I will likely find something else to do with my Sundays. Zebras should not be deciding these games!
beast
3 years ago
I think the bottom line is the NFL has not been fully consistent with how they call this, and that's a problem.

Based on my understanding of the new catch rules, they got the ruling right. But again, they haven't been consistent with that.

As for the rest of the calls though out the game, I saw one Packers blog writer on tweeter wrote, they never complain about the refs, and think the refs calls against the Packers are correct, but they weren't calling those same aspects when the Vikings did them.


And honestly, this entire year I've been noticing how freaking light reffing crews on average have been against OLs, letting them hold a hell of a lot... among other things.

And been thinking if they suddenly run into a tight reffing crew in an important game (mainly been thinking playoffs) then they could be screwed simply because they aren't used to that....

So overall, I'm not sure it's a bad thing that we run into a tighter reffing crew once or twice before the playoffs.

That being said the lost and injuries absolutely suck..
UserPostedImage
Zero2Cool
3 years ago
I think I'm too young to be feeling burnt out on NFL football. The injuries. The salary drama. The shock jock radio/TV personalities. The gambling (it will bring up on negative results when the money becomes too greater than the penalty). The growing rules and inconsistent referee's implementing them.

It's just becoming unfun. I realized I don't even get excited for plays anymore because you can't trust the play will count. I feel getting excited is a wasted emotion just waiting for the bitterness of seeing the "yellow" on the screen graphic.

And they want to add an 18th game, and probably going to add another Wild Card playoff team. I irrationally wonder, when is the regular season going to be nothing more than a tournament seeding process? 1 v 16, 2 v 15, etc.

The injuries are really getting to me. These kids are earning a lot of money, but at what expense to their body and long term life? I'm somehow starting to feel "wrong" for enjoying the game in the moments I do.
UserPostedImage
dyeah_gb
3 years ago

I think I'm too young to be feeling burnt out on NFL football. The injuries. The salary drama. The shock jock radio/TV personalities. The gambling (it will bring up on negative results when the money becomes too greater than the penalty). The growing rules and inconsistent referee's implementing them.

It's just becoming unfun. I realized I don't even get excited for plays anymore because you can't trust the play will count. I feel getting excited is a wasted emotion just waiting for the bitterness of seeing the "yellow" on the screen graphic.

And they want to add an 18th game, and probably going to add another Wild Card playoff team. I irrationally wonder, when is the regular season going to be nothing more than a tournament seeding process? 1 v 16, 2 v 15, etc.

The injuries are really getting to me. These kids are earning a lot of money, but at what expense to their body and long term life? I'm somehow starting to feel "wrong" for enjoying the game in the moments I do.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Wanted to reply that this was well-said. The rules and officiating are taking all the enjoyment out of the game. Even if your team is the beneficiary of bad calls, it takes away some of the enjoyment of the win. I know this is nothing new but the NFL keeps making bad rules and then adding more rules to compensate. It is getting worse.
The first principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool - R. Feynman
nerdmann
3 years ago

Wanted to reply that this was well-said. The rules and officiating are taking all the enjoyment out of the game. Even if your team is the beneficiary of bad calls, it takes away some of the enjoyment of the win. I know this is nothing new but the NFL keeps making bad rules and then adding more rules to compensate. It is getting worse.

Originally Posted by: dyeah_gb 



Cowboys game on Thursday was just too blatant.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
Fan Shout
dfosterf (14-Jul) : *analysis* gettin' old
dfosterf (14-Jul) : One of the best analyisis I"ve ever watched at this time of an offseason
dfosterf (14-Jul) : Andy Herman interviewed Warren Sharp on his Pack a day podcast
packerfanoutwest (10-Jul) : Us Padres fans love it....But it'll be a Dodgers/Yankees World Series
Zero2Cool (9-Jul) : Brewers sweep Dodgers. Awesome
Mucky Tundra (6-Jul) : And James Flanigan is the grandson of Packers Super Bowl winner Jim Flanigan Sr.
Mucky Tundra (6-Jul) : Jerome Bettis and Jim Flanigans sons as well!
Zero2Cool (6-Jul) : Thomas Davis Jr is OLB, not WR. Oops.
Zero2Cool (6-Jul) : Larry Fitzgeral and Thomas Davis sons too. WR's as well.
Mucky Tundra (5-Jul) : Kaydon Finley, son of Jermichael Finley, commits to Notre Dame
dfosterf (3-Jul) : Make sure to send my props to him! A plus move!
Zero2Cool (3-Jul) : My cousin, yes.
dfosterf (3-Jul) : That was your brother the GB press gazette referenced with the red cross draft props thing, yes?
Zero2Cool (2-Jul) : Packers gonna unveil new throwback helmet in few weeks.
Mucky Tundra (2-Jul) : I know it's Kleiman but this stuff writes itself
Mucky Tundra (2-Jul) : "Make sure she signs the NDA before asking for a Happy Ending!"
Mucky Tundra (2-Jul) : @NFL_DovKleiman Powerful: Deshaun Watson is taking Shedeur Sanders 'under his wing' as a mentor to the Browns QBs
Zero2Cool (30-Jun) : Dolphins get (back) Minkah Fitzpatrick in trade
Zero2Cool (30-Jun) : Steelers land Jalen Ramsey via Trade
dfosterf (26-Jun) : I think it would be great to have someone like Tom Grossi or Andy Herman on the Board of Directors so he/they could inform us
dfosterf (26-Jun) : Fair enough, WPR. Thing is, I have been a long time advocate to at least have some inkling of the dynamics within the board.
wpr (26-Jun) : 1st world owners/stockholders problems dfosterf.
Martha Careful (25-Jun) : I would have otherwise admirably served
dfosterf (25-Jun) : Also, no more provision for a write-in candidate, so Martha is off the table at least for this year
dfosterf (25-Jun) : You do have to interpret the boring fine print, but all stockholders all see he is on the ballot
dfosterf (25-Jun) : It also says he is subject to another ballot in 2028. I recall nothing of this nature with Murphy
dfosterf (25-Jun) : Ed Policy is on my ballot subject to me penciling him in as a no.
dfosterf (25-Jun) : I thought it used to be we voted for the whatever they called the 45, and then they voted for the seven, and then they voted for Mark Murphy
dfosterf (25-Jun) : Because I was too lazy to change my address, I haven't voted fot years until this year
dfosterf (25-Jun) : of the folks that run this team. I do not recall Mark Murphy being subject to our vote.
dfosterf (25-Jun) : Ed Policy yay or nay is on the pre-approved ballot that we always approve because we are uninformed and lazy, along with all the rest
dfosterf (25-Jun) : Weird question. Very esoteric. For stockholders. Also lengthy. Sorry. Offseason.
Zero2Cool (25-Jun) : Maybe wicked wind chill made it worse?
Mucky Tundra (25-Jun) : And then he signs with Cleveland in the offseason
Mucky Tundra (25-Jun) : @SharpFootball WR Diontae Johnson just admitted he refused to enter a game in 41° weather last year in Baltimore because he felt “ice cold”
Zero2Cool (24-Jun) : Yawn. Rodgers says he is "pretty sure" this be final season.
Zero2Cool (23-Jun) : PFT claims Packers are having extension talks with Zach Tom, Quay Walker.
Mucky Tundra (20-Jun) : GB-Minnesota 2004 Wild Card game popped up on my YouTube page....UGH
beast (20-Jun) : Hmm 🤔 re-signing Walker before Tom? Sounds highly questionable to me.
Mucky Tundra (19-Jun) : One person on Twitter=cannon law
Zero2Cool (19-Jun) : Well, to ONE person on Tweeter
Zero2Cool (19-Jun) : According to Tweeter
Zero2Cool (19-Jun) : Packers are working on extension for LT Walker they hope to have done before camp
dfosterf (18-Jun) : E4B landed at Andrews last night
dfosterf (18-Jun) : 101 in a 60
dfosterf (18-Jun) : FAFO
Zero2Cool (18-Jun) : one year $4m with incentives to make it up to $6m
dfosterf (18-Jun) : Or Lions
dfosterf (18-Jun) : Beats the hell out of a Vikings signing
Zero2Cool (18-Jun) : Baltimore Ravens now have signed former Packers CB Jaire Alexander.
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2025 Packers Schedule
Sunday, Sep 7 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Thursday, Sep 11 @ 7:15 PM
COMMANDERS
Sunday, Sep 21 @ 12:00 PM
Browns
Sunday, Sep 28 @ 7:20 PM
Cowboys
Sunday, Oct 12 @ 3:25 PM
BENGALS
Sunday, Oct 19 @ 3:25 PM
Cardinals
Sunday, Oct 26 @ 7:20 PM
Steelers
Sunday, Nov 2 @ 12:00 PM
PANTHERS
Monday, Nov 10 @ 7:15 PM
EAGLES
Sunday, Nov 16 @ 12:00 PM
Giants
Sunday, Nov 23 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Thursday, Nov 27 @ 12:00 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 7 @ 12:00 PM
BEARS
Sunday, Dec 14 @ 3:25 PM
Broncos
Friday, Dec 19 @ 11:00 PM
Bears
Friday, Dec 26 @ 11:00 PM
RAVENS
Saturday, Jan 3 @ 11:00 PM
Vikings
Recent Topics
15h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

22h / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

14-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

14-Jul / Community Welcome! / lijog

10-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

10-Jul / Around The NFL / Zero2Cool

6-Jul / Random Babble / Martha Careful

4-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

2-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

2-Jul / Fantasy Sports Talk / dfosterf

1-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

29-Jun / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

25-Jun / Around The NFL / Martha Careful

23-Jun / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

20-Jun / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.