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2020-11-30T15:50:15Z
The offense has been great. If the defense can take that next step and be more consistent.




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Cheesey
2020-11-30T17:47:31Z
If (and that’s a big if) the defense can do its part, there’s no reason the Packers can’t go all the way.

Yesterday against the Bears, our offense surprised me on how easily they moved the ball. All I kept hearing was how great the Bears defense was.
Now, our defense.,...the Bears moved the ball too well in the 4th quarter. Was it because it was garbage time? I don’t know.
The 3 turnovers were huge. The 2 INTs stopped Bears drives. But what would have happened on those drives had we not had the INTs? The strip sack got us 7 points. But they could have called it a face mask penalty. At least that’s how I saw it on the replay. Of course I’m glad it went our way.

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nerdmann
2020-11-30T20:40:09Z
Originally Posted by: Cheesey 

If (and that’s a big if) the defense can do its part, there’s no reason the Packers can’t go all the way.

Yesterday against the Bears, our offense surprised me on how easily they moved the ball. All I kept hearing was how great the Bears defense was.
Now, our defense.,...the Bears moved the ball too well in the 4th quarter. Was it because it was garbage time? I don’t know.
The 3 turnovers were huge. The 2 INTs stopped Bears drives. But what would have happened on those drives had we not had the INTs? The strip sack got us 7 points. But they could have called it a face mask penalty. At least that’s how I saw it on the replay. Of course I’m glad it went our way.



Our defense always seems to play poorly when the offense has 3 or more turnovers. Thankfully we held on to the ball last night.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
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2020-11-30T20:45:30Z
Originally Posted by: Cheesey 

If (and that’s a big if) the defense can do its part, there’s no reason the Packers can’t go all the way.

Yesterday against the Bears, our offense surprised me on how easily they moved the ball. All I kept hearing was how great the Bears defense was.
Now, our defense.,...the Bears moved the ball too well in the 4th quarter. Was it because it was garbage time? I don’t know.
The 3 turnovers were huge. The 2 INTs stopped Bears drives. But what would have happened on those drives had we not had the INTs? The strip sack got us 7 points. But they could have called it a face mask penalty. At least that’s how I saw it on the replay. Of course I’m glad it went our way.



Yes most of the bares points (22 of 25) came when the defense was playing soft. The 7 before halftime and the 15 points in the 4th quarter.

Why are you focusing only on what might have been in the negative? There were several plays the refs could have flagged the Bears and didn't. Let's take away Montgomery's 57 yard run while we are at it too.

The turnovers. On the first one the Bears were at the Packers 38. (The Bears had moved 41 yards in 5 plays and used up a whole 2:31). I was not worried. Even though they were at the 38, their red zone offense is putrid. They get a td only 52% of the time. That's good for 28th place. Just in case someone says that's mainly because of Foles has been the QB, last year they were @ 52% as well. Keep in mind the Bares still needed 18 yards just to get to the outer edge red zone.

Next is the strip, sack, fumble, td. (3 plays -11 yards 1:23) It's 3rd and 17 from the GB 18. Just when would you expect GB to dial up the pass rush pressure? If not on this play, when? They did exactly what they were supposed to do. Get to the QB. If they do, many many good things can happen. A sack, fumble, an interception or at the very least an incompletion which will be followed by a punt and GB would have excellent field position. You complain about the defense not living up to expectations but when they actually do their job, you still complain, "What would have happened if they DIDN'T get to Trubisky? LET IT GO. ENJOY THE VICTORY.

Last turnover, another int. (3 plays -1 yard and 0:50 seconds.) They were at their own 25. That's a long long long long long long long way from being in scoring position. There is no reason whatsoever to say the Bears would have scored if not for the int.

Another factor is that Savage made two outstanding plays to get those interceptions. You sort of ignore his effort in your "what if" worrying. I skipped over it, but all 3 edge rushers factored into the sack/fumble play. Gary picked up 6'3" 316 pound Leno and tossed him into Trubisky. That was a genuine Reggie move if there ever was one. Trubisky then had to step up. Right into the arms of Z who forced the fumble that Preston recovered and ran back. That was no small task in itself. Linemen on both offense and defense typically have heavily taped hand and wrists. They don't bend over and pick up the loose ball. They are taught since jr high to fall on the ball not pick it up and try to run. The whole play was a series of individual A+ plays.

Here's the Bears drive chart:
FG
Interception
Fumble / GB TD
TD on soft coverage before the half. 87 yards on 14 plays a 6.2 avg. It started with 3:11 left in the half and used almost 3 minutes. It made the score 27-10. The game was already well in hand.
Punt
Interception
Punt
By the time the Bears get the ball back it is 41-10. The game is over. These guys are professionals but you can not expect them to play at 100% effort every single play for every single game. They coast. You may hate it but if you were on the field you would probably be doing the exact same thing they did.
TD on soft coverage 65 yards in 13 plays for an average of 5 yards a play. It took 4 1/2 minutes. This is not big chunk plays. They are burning the clock and the Packers let them do it.
Last driver another TD. Even more time consuming. 82 yards on 15 plays and average of 5.5 yards using up over 5 minutes of time.

I don't want to hear, "Well that can't do that if they are playing ... Tampa, Rams, KC, Steelers or whoever" Yes they can. If they are up by 31 points in the 4th quarter I don't mind the defense focusing on keeping the play in front of them and burning the clock. If the Packers are not up by that much in the 4th, don't worry, playing a soft D isn't an option.

Enjoy the moment. They really and truly kicked the bare butts.
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Cheesey
2020-11-30T22:54:50Z
WPR, I’m NOT only focusing on the negative.
What I’m saying is, how many times in this season and last season, did we see our defense get destroyed by a good offense?
Am I happy we beat the Bears? Heck YES!
But I’m also not going to ignore the obvious weaknesses. The Colts and Vikings and Tampa sure didn’t. And any decent team also won’t ignore it. The Bears offense stinks, and yet they put up 25 points on us.
Like I said in my post, was it because of garbage time? Or was it because the Bears finally started preying on our Ds weakness?
I don’t really know.
I’m past seasons when we got to the playoffs, our defense has been what let us down and ended up ending our season. It happens in SF last season.
The defense has to hold up its end of the bargain, or we will get killed in the playoffs again.
Can you imagine what Mahomes would do to our defense?
I love “my” team. I’m just not blind to its weak points.
And I don’t think saying so makes me less of a fan.
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2020-12-01T02:22:11Z
I'm not saying you are less of a fan. Every team has weaknesses. KC defense is pretty poor but they stepped up in the 4th quarter of the Super Bowl. Green Bay actually has better individual players on defense than KC. The KC defense is ranked lower than GB. They are weaker against the run. Tampa is losing games all the time. GB did well against Tampa until the Aaron meltdown after the 2 ints. I hope GB faces then in the playoffs.
Like I said they do have weaknesses and don't play up to their potential all the time. They did yesterday. As I said 22 points were garbage time. It would have been different if the Packers gave up tds on the Bears first possession of the game and to start the 2nd half. Look at the drive chart again. To start the game FG and 2 turnovers. At the start of the 2nd half it's 2 punts and a turnover. You can't ask for more from a defense than that.
You want to know the truth? GB isn't going to win the Super Bowl. Odds are that KC, Pittsburgh, New Orleans, Rams, Seattle and whoever else you name won't either. It's hard to win it all. Getting frustrated won't help the team to play better. They already know their weaknesses. Enjoy the ride. Or not. It's your choice.
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Cheesey
2020-12-01T05:17:16Z
Wow.....
I AM enjoying the ride.
Never said I wasn’t, did I?
Do I think we will win the super bowl? No.
I think Kansas City will.
That said, I’m hoping that MY TEAM proves my guess wrong, and DOES win it all.
I don’t get why my statement is getting so picked apart.
I, and others have stated similar views here before, and I don’t remember them getting blasted.
An opinion is just that, an opinion.

I guess I’ll just keep all my thoughts to myself.
Maybe it’s time for me to leave.
I know that will make some here very happy.

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Zero2Cool
2020-12-01T13:04:18Z
Originally Posted by: Cheesey 

If (and that’s a big if) the defense can do its part, there’s no reason the Packers can’t go all the way.

Yesterday against the Bears, our offense surprised me on how easily they moved the ball. All I kept hearing was how great the Bears defense was.
Now, our defense.,...the Bears moved the ball too well in the 4th quarter. Was it because it was garbage time? I don’t know.
The 3 turnovers were huge. The 2 INTs stopped Bears drives. But what would have happened on those drives had we not had the INTs? The strip sack got us 7 points. But they could have called it a face mask penalty. At least that’s how I saw it on the replay. Of course I’m glad it went our way.



The Packers defense looked good against one of the worst offenses in the NFL. The last even decent test won't be until the Titans. I'd say Panthers, but I think Bridgwater is hobbled and their do-everything RB has been nicked up and injured all season.

I'm hoping to see some good solid tackling from here on out. And I would like to see the defense show some aggression instead of waiting for the offense to come to them.
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yooperfan
2020-12-01T13:19:28Z
Originally Posted by: Cheesey 

Wow.....
I AM enjoying the ride.
Never said I wasn’t, did I?
Do I think we will win the super bowl? No.
I think Kansas City will.
That said, I’m hoping that MY TEAM proves my guess wrong, and DOES win it all.
I don’t get why my statement is getting so picked apart.
I, and others have stated similar views here before, and I don’t remember them getting blasted.
An opinion is just that, an opinion.

I guess I’ll just keep all my thoughts to myself.
Maybe it’s time for me to leave.
I know that will make some here very happy.


I urge you not to leave Cheesey!
You are part of the history of this site and a valuable and respected contributor.
Your insight and sense of humor would be greatly missed.
Besides, there’s not many of us old timers left around here anymore.

dhazer
2020-12-01T15:50:57Z
Originally Posted by: Cheesey 

Wow.....
I AM enjoying the ride.
Never said I wasn’t, did I?
Do I think we will win the super bowl? No.
I think Kansas City will.
That said, I’m hoping that MY TEAM proves my guess wrong, and DOES win it all.
I don’t get why my statement is getting so picked apart.
I, and others have stated similar views here before, and I don’t remember them getting blasted.
An opinion is just that, an opinion.

I guess I’ll just keep all my thoughts to myself.
Maybe it’s time for me to leave.
I know that will make some here very happy.



your not going anywhere Brother, we are all family here and hell you have been here since the beginning I believe and actually I think you recruited me here along with Kevin lol. Families argue and get on each others nerves but in the end we are all still family

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Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be 🙂
wpr
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2020-12-01T17:21:15Z
Originally Posted by: Cheesey 

Wow.....
I AM enjoying the ride.
Never said I wasn’t, did I?
Do I think we will win the super bowl? No.
I think Kansas City will.
That said, I’m hoping that MY TEAM proves my guess wrong, and DOES win it all.
I don’t get why my statement is getting so picked apart.
I, and others have stated similar views here before, and I don’t remember them getting blasted.
An opinion is just that, an opinion.

I guess I’ll just keep all my thoughts to myself.
Maybe it’s time for me to leave.
I know that will make some here very happy.



Alan R-E-L-A-X.

I am not attacking you. I am trying to hold a discussion with you. Nowhere did I did not say you were not enjoying the Packer's victory ride. While I did say that you should enjoy it, that doesn't mean I think you are not. What I was saying is, in my opinion, getting frustrated over a few meaningless scores at the end of the game is not the end of the world. In reality you are free to do so if that is what you want to do. Likewise I should be able to say that it is not as bad as you think it is without you getting pissed off and threatening to leave the forum simply because I state a slightly different viewpoint. In truth that is all it is. We agree on the majority of Packer related issues and even many non Packer related issues.

As far as other people's views, they are not on this page. Once again I am only trying to hold a conversation. I did not attack you. I did not call you names. I did not imply you are a lesser fan than anyone else. I did not imply anything at all. The main reason for my comment was because YOU asked a question and I tried to answer it.
Originally Posted by: Cheesey 

Now, our defense.,...the Bears moved the ball too well in the 4th quarter. Was it because it was garbage time? I don’t know.



Also before the most recent posts where other members asked you to stay, who else was posting here beside you and me? Only nerdmann. I considered talking to him but I like talking to you more. (J/K nerd.) But he took the discussion in another direction. He was talking about offensive turnovers. I wasn't discussing that at this time.

Blasted? You really think I was blasting you? It was not my intent. I was stating things that happened in the game and my perspective of those events. I have a favor to ask you. Calm down a little. Get your mind off the feeling that I was trying to belittle you or attack you or that I was being critical of you as a person or as a fan. Then go back and read my comments with as neutral of a position as possible and see if you may have misinterpreted my intentions. (Ask LJ her opinion. I respect her's as well.) Afterward if you feel the same way that you do now let me know. I want to know. Likewise, afterward if you can see I was not as harsh as you first thought let me know that too. Thing is it's very easy to misunderstand what we post here. That's why ongoing talk is needed.

One last thing. If you want to leave then leave. Don't stay because you have longevity on this site or something like that. Stay because you enjoy the dialog process. The give and take. The exchange of ideas. Don't stay out of some sense of obligation. If you are not happy here then you SHOULD leave. Take some time off. After a while if you miss this site then come back. But only do so when you are ready. You are always welcome here. This is after all PackersHome. It's your home if you want it to be.

Actually after re-reading this, I have one more thing to say. I care about you. You should know that by now. Because of that, if I think you are acting a little bit "woe is me" (which is how I read your first post.) as your friend, I will try to give you something more positive to consider. In this one instance, the defense was not that bad.



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Cheesey
2020-12-01T18:02:58Z
First, thank you for the positive comments from my “family”.

Wayne, you know I value your opinions. I guess what I was trying to say was that the same things that cost us during the regular season and NFC title game last year, are the same things that are costing us this year. Poor tackling and poor run defense. I was not “woe is me” at all. Just trying to say that they haven’t seemed to address for this season what killed us last year. Look at what the Vikings did to us once they had Cook running the ball. The Bears have a bad offense, yet put up 25 points. Like I said, I don’t know if that was because of our big lead, or bad defense.
I love my team. And I’m hoping they can win it all this year!
I’m on the bandwagon, win or lose!
I’ve had this seat for 55 years, and I’ll never jump ship!😁
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