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2020-05-14T12:15:44Z
Not that I believe anything from the Chicoms or their Drs., but worth considering...
  • Get outside when you can
  • Locking kids up with granny or gramps is not a very good idea

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Indoor transmission of SARS-CoV-2
Hua Qian, Te Miao, Li LIU, Xiaohong Zheng, Danting Luo, Yuguo Li
doi: https://doi.org/10.1101/2020.04.04.20053058 

Abstract
Background: By early April 2020, the COVID-19 pandemic had infected nearly one million people and had spread to nearly all countries worldwide. It is essential to understand where and how SARS-CoV-2 is transmitted. Methods: Case reports were extracted from the local Municipal Health Commissions of 320 prefectural cities (municipalities) in China, not including Hubei province, between 4 January and 11 February 2020. We identified all outbreaks involving three or more cases and reviewed the major characteristics of the enclosed spaces in which the outbreaks were reported and associated indoor environmental issues. Results: Three hundred and eighteen outbreaks with three or more cases were identified, involving 1245 confirmed cases in 120 prefectural cities.

We divided the venues in which the outbreaks occurred into six categories: homes, transport, food, entertainment, shopping, and miscellaneous. Among the identified outbreaks, 53.8% involved three cases, 26.4% involved four cases, and only 1.6% involved ten or more cases. Home outbreaks were the dominant category (254 of 318 outbreaks; 79.9%), followed by transport (108; 34.0%; note that many outbreaks involved more than one venue category). Most home outbreaks involved three to five cases. We identified only a single outbreak in an outdoor environment, which involved two cases. Conclusions: All identified outbreaks of three or more cases occurred in an indoor environment, which confirms that sharing indoor space is a major SARS-CoV-2 infection risk.

Smokey
2020-05-14T17:47:49Z
Wisconsin is 100% fully open, just like a Pandemic never too place!

Rest assured that the rest of America will be watching very closely. Getting infected with Covid-19 is very easy as it is a highly contagious virus. Symptoms are not immediate, but follow closely behind. It reminds me of throwing gasoline on a fore to see if the embers are out. This could serve as a picture for all other states to viw and learn from.

Profit vs Lives


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Zero2Cool
2020-05-14T17:49:25Z
Originally Posted by: Smokey 

Wisconsin is 100% fully open, just like a Pandemic never too place!

Rest assured that the rest of America will be watching very closely. Getting infected with Covid-19 is very easy as it is a highly contagious virus. Symptoms are not immediate, but follow closely behind. It reminds me of throwing gasoline on a fore to see if the embers are out. This could serve as a picture for all other states to viw and learn from.

Profit vs Lives


A Code Blue Production



That's actually not true. I live in Wisconsin and while the "shut down" was hardly noticed, there are facilities (e.g. Bars) that are indeed closed. Some of them opened up yesterday after the Senate ruling, but Brown County issues something that re-enacted some of the restrictions.
Smokey
2020-05-14T18:04:54Z
Too late for reason now, the (R) Wisconsin Supreme Court has ruled. It's every man (women/child) for themselves.

I predict the Covid-19 virus will win by 3 to 4 Touchdowns. Removing the best defense will allow this scourge to run at will and pass some other states numbers.

Good Luck Wisconsin
Zero2Cool
2020-05-14T18:57:33Z
Originally Posted by: Smokey 

Too late for reason now, the (R) Wisconsin Supreme Court has ruled. It's every man (women/child) for themselves.

I predict the Covid-19 virus will win by 3 to 4 Touchdowns. Removing the best defense will allow this scourge to run at will and pass some other states numbers.

Good Luck Wisconsin



Oh, you're just throwing random hyperbolic comments out there to see what sticks. Got it.
Cheesey
2020-05-14T20:03:42Z
Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

Oh, you're just throwing random hyperbolic comments out there to see what sticks. Got it.



Yup. Like I said, consistent.
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2020-05-14T21:22:44Z
Michael Levitt, professor of structural biology at Stanford Medical School and winner of the 2013 Nobel Prize in chemistry, recently stated, "There is no doubt in my mind that when we come to look back on this, the damage done by lockdown will exceed any saving of lives by a huge factor."

More people will die from the effect of the lockdown than were saved LATIMES https://www.latimes.com/...-could-erase-those-gains 

https://www.dailymail.co...sion-scientists-say.html 


Smokey
2020-05-14T21:43:29Z
Once upon a time, ten men were adrift at sea in a lifeboat. A ships officer was in command and the ships Dr. was also in the boat. The remaining survivors were made up of various members of the former ships crew as well as two passengers that had booked cabins as travelers. The officer and the Dr. carefully explained to all the need to ration food and water for as long as possible. In addition it was explained that drinking the sea water would kill whoever did so.
As the days passed they got no relief from the suns heat and no rain occurred to help resupply their meager fresh water supply. All eagerly looked forward to their daily water ration as everyone was becoming dehydrated. Warnings to not drink the salt water were issued sometimes more than once a day. In spite of the known medically sound advice, one of the men began to sneak sips of sea water when he saw a chance. Eventually it made him ill and it killed him. His lack of self discipline cost him his life. He was buried at sea and the following day a ship found them and rescued the lifeboat.
The point is that it's part of human nature to rebel against rules/advice even when we know that advice is in our best interest. Rushing to reopen our states and return to our former lives is,IMO, like the man who drank the sea water even though he had been repeatedly cautioned about the danger. .
This is not a democratic or a republication pandemic, it's an equal opportunity virus that IS killing people worldwide. Without a certified medical solution/s the best advice is to reduce the spread of the virus (and this is the worldwide accepted recommendation). Relaxing social distancing may present quick gratification today, but let's see the numbers in 10 days or 2 weeks following the celebrations. How many more will die as the virus spreads to our families, friends, and to the innocent that got caught in the viral crossfire.

Consistent, yes the trained medical experts certainly are that. How many would change their tune if this virus killed their child or sister or mother?
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2020-05-15T00:29:05Z
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2020-05-15T20:08:59Z
The guy needs to make up his mind....
https://youtu.be/PRa6t_e7dgI 

I know this is blasphemy, but just in case you don't think Dr. Fauci came down from Mt Sinai with the 10 commandments:

Neurosurgeon Says Face Masks Pose Serious Risk to Healthy People
BY MEGAN FOX MAY 14, 2020 6:09 PM EST

Every Karen on Facebook is shaming her neighbors for not wearing a face mask. We are being told by governors that if we don’t wear masks we are selfish, horrible human beings with no souls who want Grandma to die a horrible death. Police are tackling people who don’t wear face masks properly in the subway. Grocery stores are throwing maskless people out and denying them service.

But now, there’s another doctor weighing in—besides Dr. Fauci, bonafide sex god and ruler of us all, who also said face masks are largely security theater and of no use to the healthy. Dr. Russell Blaylock, a neurosurgeon, has written an editorial saying that “masks pose serious risks to the healthy.”

First, Blaylock says, there is no scientific evidence that masks are effective against COVID-19 transmission. Pro-science people should care about this.

As for the scientific support for the use of face mask, a recent careful examination of the literature, in which 17 of the best studies were analyzed, concluded that, “ None of the studies established a conclusive relationship between mask/respirator use and protection against influenza infection.” Keep in mind, no studies have been done to demonstrate that either a cloth mask or the N95 mask has any effect on transmission of the COVID-19 virus. Any recommendations, therefore, have to be based on studies of influenza virus transmission. And, as you have seen, there is no conclusive evidence of their efficiency in controlling flu virus transmission.

It is also instructive to know that until recently, the CDC did not recommend wearing a face mask or covering of any kind, unless a person was known to be infected, that is, until recently. Non-infected people need not wear a mask. When a person has TB we have them wear a mask, not the entire community of non-infected. The recommendations by the CDC and the WHO are not based on any studies of this virus and have never been used to contain any other virus pandemic or epidemic in history.


Beyond the lack of scientific data to support wearing a mask as a deterrent to a virus, Blaylock says the more pressing concern is what can and will happen to the wearer.

Now that we have established that there is no scientific evidence necessitating the wearing of a face mask for prevention, are there dangers to wearing a face mask, especially for long periods? Several studies have indeed found significant problems with wearing such a mask. This can vary from headaches, to increased airway resistance, carbon dioxide accumulation, to hypoxia, all the way to serious life-threatening complications.
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Blaylock says studies have also shown that face masks impair oxygen intake dramatically, potentially leading to serious problems.

The importance of these findings is that a drop in oxygen levels (hypoxia) is associated with an impairment in immunity. Studies have shown that hypoxia can inhibit the type of main immune cells used to fight viral infections called the CD4+ T-lymphocyte.

This occurs because the hypoxia increases the level of a compound called hypoxia inducible factor-1 (HIF-1), which inhibits T-lymphocytes and stimulates a powerful immune inhibitor cell called the Tregs. . This sets the stage for contracting any infection, including COVID-19 and making the consequences of that infection much graver. In essence, your mask may very well put you at an increased risk of infections and if so, having a much worse outcome.


In other words, if you wear a face mask and contract some sickness, you will not be able to fight it off as effectively as if you had normal blood oxygen levels. The mask could make you sicker. It could also create a “deadly cytokine storm” in some.

There is another danger to wearing these masks on a daily basis, especially if worn for several hours. When a person is infected with a respiratory virus, they will expel some of the virus with each breath.

If they are wearing a mask, especially an N95 mask or other tightly fitting mask, they will be constantly rebreathing the viruses, raising the concentration of the virus in the lungs and the nasal passages. We know that people who have the worst reactions to the coronavirus have the highest concentrations of the virus early on. And this leads to the deadly cytokine storm in a selected number.


How about cancer, heart attacks, and strokes? Blaylock says face masks can make all of those conditions worse.

People with cancer, especially if the cancer has spread, will be at a further risk from prolonged hypoxia as the cancer grows best in a microenvironment that is low in oxygen. Low oxygen also promotes inflammation which can promote the growth, invasion and spread of cancers. Repeated episodes of hypoxia has been proposed as a significant factor in atherosclerosis and hence increases all cardiovascular (heart attacks) and cerebrovascular (strokes) diseases
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If that’s not bad enough, how would you like COVID-19 in your brain?

It gets even more frightening. Newer evidence suggests that in some cases the virus can enter the brain. In most instances it enters the brain by way of the olfactory nerves (smell nerves), which connect directly with the area of the brain dealing with recent memory and memory consolidation. By wearing a mask, the exhaled viruses will not be able to escape and will concentrate in the nasal passages, enter the olfactory nerves and travel into the brain.


Why is it that we only listen to dire predictions from Dr. Fauci and we don’t consult other experts in the field of medicine? Is Anthony Fauci the only qualified person to talk about this virus? Furthermore, if he is, he agrees with Dr. Blaylock that only sick people should wear them and he said so on 60 Minutes. So why aren’t we listening to him?

Additionally, several Drs. have verified the following post as accurate and they wholeheartedly agree.
"MASKS! Folks, let a surgeon of 30 years (a.k.a. me) teach you about MASKS. COVID 19 virus particle size averages 125 nanometers (0.125microns); the range is 0.06 microns to .14 microns; one needs an electron microscope to see a COVID 19 virus particle. The hoarded N 95 mask filters down to 0.3 microns. So, N95 masks block few, if any, virions (virus particles). This is a simple fact, so you just cannot argue against it. Other surgical masks, home-made masks and kerchiefs do the following: 1) the allow free passage both ways (in and out) of COVID 19 virions. 2) they become a warm, damp or moist reservoir of COVID 19 particles in asymptomatic "carriers" (estimated to be 85% of all people tested). For surgeons, years of training, intimidation, and humiliation teach us to touch NOTHING but our surgical field. Lay people constantly touch, re-arrange, and manipulate their "masks", wonderfully inoculating thousands of virus particles onto their bare or (even worse, gloved) hands. So, these absurd masks ENCOURAGE the fomite transmission ("infected" articles-to-hand-to face transmission of the virus). So, go ahead and allow idiots to delude and mislead you to the false sense of security—and danger—of masks!"
—Doc Graham, MD
“The average healthy person does not need to have a mask, and they shouldn’t be wearing masks. There’s no evidence that wearing masks on healthy people will protect them. They wear them incorrectly, and they can increase the risk of infection because they’re touching their face more often.”
—Eli Perencevich, MD, professor of medicine and epidemiology at the University of Iowa’s College of Medicine
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2020-05-23T12:30:15Z
All actions, no matter how well meaning, have unintended, albeit foreseeable, consequences:
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"We've Never Seen Numbers Like This" - Trauma Doc Sees Post-Lockdown Suicide Wave Starting
by Tyler Durden Fri, 05/22/2020 - 21:25

We suggested, at the beginning of April, that a "suicide wave" was imminent considering the economic devastation sparked by COVID-19 lockdowns. In the last nine weeks, 38.6 million Americans have lost their jobs and were thrown into instant poverty. Many were already skating on thin financial ice even before the pandemic, and now they've fallen through, drowning in insurmountable debts, no savings, and limited lifelines.

The first signs of a suicide wave could be originating in California. ABC7 News reports doctors and nurses at John Muir Medical Center in Walnut Creek, in the East Bay region of the San Francisco Bay Area, are reporting deaths by suicide far exceed COVID-19 deaths during the pandemic.

The hospital's top trauma doctor, Dr. Mike deBoisblanc, told ABC7 that mental health has become a major problem during the shelter-in-place order.

Personally I think it's time," said deBoisblanc. "I think, originally, this (the shelter-in-place order) was put in place to flatten the curve and to make sure hospitals have the resources to take care of COVID patients. We have the current resources to do that and our other community health is suffering."
DeBoisblanc said the numbers are unprecedented:

"We've never seen numbers like this, in such a short period of time," he said. "I mean we've seen a year's worth of suicide attempts in the last four weeks."

Kacey Hansen, a trauma nurse at the hospital for over three decades, said the volume of suicide attempts has dramatically increased during the lockdowns, noting the pandemic has stretched resources, which means there are fewer tools to save as many patients as usual.
"What I have seen recently, I have never seen before," Hansen said. "I have never seen so much intentional injury."

As we've noted in the past, hospital systems do not let doctors and nurses speak out about internal affairs and or what's happening in the community unless cleared by officials. It appears the outreach of hospital staff to the local news outlet is a move to address the mental health public crisis sparked by lockdowns in the Bay Area. The hospital released this statement:
"John Muir Health has been, and continues to be, supportive of the Shelter-in-Place order put in place by Contra Costa County Health Services to prevent the spread of COVID-19. We realize there are a number of opinions on this topic, including within our medical staff, and John Muir Health encourages our physicians and staff to participate constructively in these discussions. We all share a concern for the health of our community whether that is COVID-19, mental health, intentional violence or other issues. We continue to actively work with our Behavioral Health Center, County Health and community organizations to increase awareness of mental health issues and provide resources to anyone in need. If you are in a crisis and need help immediately, please call 211 or 800-833-2900 or text 'HOPE' to 20121 now. We are all in this together, and ask the community to please reach out to anyone who you think might be in need during this challenging time. Thank you."


In addition to the +90,000 and counting virus-related deaths, Well Being Trust recently outlined how 75,000 people could die of drug or alcohol misuse and or suicide during the pandemic.
...


Cheesey
2020-05-23T21:03:21Z
And I bet the suicide numbers will be called covid deaths.
And in a way, they are.
I said before, lost jobs that people depended on to support themselves and families can cause catastrophic consequences.
Too many businesses have been killed by the shutdown. And yet some want to keep the country shut down for more months. I bet most of those people have enough money and supplies to do that. They don’t care about the “little guys” that can’t weather anymore months off.
If common sense is used, it’s time to open things up and see how it works out. You can’t stay closed forever.
beast
2020-05-23T23:29:02Z
Originally Posted by: KRK 

Michael Levitt, professor of structural biology at Stanford Medical School and winner of the 2013 Nobel Prize in chemistry, recently stated, "There is no doubt in my mind that when we come to look back on this, the damage done by lockdown will exceed any saving of lives by a huge factor."

More people will die from the effect of the lockdown than were saved LATIMES https://www.latimes.com/...-could-erase-those-gains 

https://www.dailymail.co...sion-scientists-say.html 




I keep hearing this said, but how exactly are people dying from the lock down?
Dying of boredom? Being forced to spend too much time with family when it's not the holidays?

Yes people are losing money in the ways they would normally earn it... but some of the poorer people are supposivedly earning three times the amount they normally earned per week in unemployment...

I get that people are losing money, and I get the idea that the country MIGHT of been better if they stayed open... but how exactly are they dying by staying closed? ... I guess I just haven't quite figured that out.

Financially, I think the country would of been much better off staying open the home time, but a large percentage of the elderly would of died as well. There is always a question of life vs money, and publicly EVERYONE says they prefer life... but start hurting their wallets and a good number of people change their answers, at least privately...

Of course, we might of been in much better position, if the country took this serious from the beginning... and actually had the entire system that's supposed to work together as one unit, actually work together, and do their jobs correctly...

A lot of things have gone wrong.... but the first thing is to assume that we can accurately and consistently track the data... hell a number of states are doing it differently and creating data that's unfair to be compared to each other, which is nuts. As some states only use the data if you officially have a positive test at a hospital, meaning a hell lot more people (some whom never attempt to get tested, other whom wanted to get tested and couldn't, and other that tested positive but not physically at a hospital, and none of them get counted).
Cheesey
2020-05-24T05:50:53Z
An actual cure might never be found. And if they do find a vaccine, it could take years. And to know what long time side effects are also unknown. Just watch TV and see lawyer ads against drugs that have ended up causing worse problems.
They can’t even cure a common cold.
So keep the country on lockdown until when?
First it was a couple weeks, then a month, then 2 months. Now how long? Let people choose to stay home or go out and back to work.
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2020-05-24T12:07:52Z
Originally Posted by: beast 

I keep hearing this said, but how exactly are people dying from the lock down?
Dying of boredom? Being forced to spend too much time with family when it's not the holidays?

Yes people are losing money in the ways they would normally earn it... but some of the poorer people are supposivedly earning three times the amount they normally earned per week in unemployment...

I get that people are losing money, and I get the idea that the country MIGHT of been better if they stayed open... but how exactly are they dying by staying closed? ... I guess I just haven't quite figured that out.

The article alludes to the results, but not the causes...Depression, dependency, and dread:
  • Depression - if one is retired or rich, there is probably less damage an economic point of view...but if you own a small business, and don't have a lot of savings, you are generally screwed. The life you had been building, based on your small business is collapsing, especially if you are in a shut down state. You then lose your house, your health care and your self-respect. These PPE loans don't cover fixed costs, like rent, lease payments, and other equipment payments. For most people, especially men, they define themselves by what they do for a living. When that living is taken away from them, especially when they feel it is unjustified, they become depressed, bitter, morose, and sometime suicidal (or homicidal).
  • Second dependency leads to depression. No one worth a damn wants to have to take a handout, especially when they feel that the lock-downs have been in place far to long. If you live in Michigan, you cant even buy seeds to plant your own food, furthering dependency and depression.
  • Finally, the press keeps telling us how many of us are going to die, without perspective of the real odd or citing how often people die of other causes. Further they fixate on the fact if you get it, and don't die, you may have long term effects. That is true, but when no perspective is provided, it all leads to dread.
We may have just see the beginning of suicides and crime related to depression, dependency and dread.

Zero2Cool
2020-05-24T14:26:55Z
Originally Posted by: Cheesey 

An actual cure might never be found. And if they do find a vaccine, it could take years. And to know what long time side effects are also unknown. Just watch TV and see lawyer ads against drugs that have ended up causing worse problems.
They can’t even cure a common cold.
So keep the country on lockdown until when?
First it was a couple weeks, then a month, then 2 months. Now how long? Let people choose to stay home or go out and back to work.



I'm not a doctor and quite ignorant when it comes to medical. That being said, I read about the side effects of medications and quite honestly it scares the hell out of me. My fear is there's such a rush to come up with a vaccine that it'll have corners cut and long-term effects might be terrible. In short, what if the vaccine causes more damage than good in the long run?
Nonstopdrivel
2020-05-24T19:39:23Z
People always talk about the side effects being worse than the disease, but they never specify what these supposed side effects are, much less evaluate what the probabilities of their happening might be.

Ever wondered why one of the listed side effects for Imodium is diarrhea? Because if someone—anyone—reports that something—anything—happened while they were using a medication, the pharmaceutical companies are required by law to list it on the insert, regardless of whether there is the slightest bit of evidence or even plausibility that there could be any causal connection. So yeah, one of the side effects of Tylenol is headaches, and one of the side effects of Viagra is impotence. You're already experiencing those symptoms. They don't go away instantly!

The law is idiotic and, worse, counterproductive.

The availability of this meaningless information, devoid as it is of any context, freaks patients out and seriously damages the therapeutic relationship between doctor and patient. No matter how intelligent they think they are, laymen simply don't have the knowledge or expertise to properly assess these kinds of risks. I'm a medical school graduate who's spent years studying this stuff, and I'll freely tell you I don't know shit. Board-certified physicians have spent many more years studying this stuff, and they will tell you they don't know shit either. They forget more medicine on a daily basis than laymen will ever learn in their entire lifetimes. Why do patients fancy themselves qualified physicians just because they have Google, search results of which are driven by sensationalism, paranoia, and conspiracy theories, at their fingertips? It's annoying, it's a waste of precious time, and it's a classic case of the Dunning-Kruger effect in action. Worst of all, it can be downright dangerous.

Do yourself a favor: don't go on Google before you go to the doctor—or after you get home, for that matter. You don't know what the hell you're doing, and you're just going to cause yourself a ton of unnecessary anxiety and stress.
Nonstopdrivel
2020-05-24T19:57:05Z
Even more damaging than the lists of side effects on drug inserts is the chaos of VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Effect Reporting System). If you report that your daughter died in a car accident six weeks after getting a vaccine, that goes in as an adverse event. If you report that a vaccine transformed you into the Incredible Hulk or Wonder Woman , the bureaucrats will dutifully enter that information into the database for the rest of the world to find on Google. They don't have a choice—it's required by law.

The data is worse than meaningless. It's dangerously misleading.

You know how many deaths have been causally linked to Gardisil since it was introduced in 2006? Zero. Motherfucking zero. But I bet that won't find that out on the first or even the tenth website that pops up in Google. Maybe not even the twentieth. Meanwhile, deaths from cervical cancer, which historically was one of the top two or three cancer killers of women worldwide, have plummeted over 90 percent since the advent of Pap smears and now Gardisil. Yet people are so panicked over apocryphal reports of girls committing suicide months after getting the shot that they refuse to immunize their children. To this day, barely twenty percent of boys are getting vaccinated against HPV, despite the fact that we are experiencing an explosion of oral and throat cancer among men in this country, treatments for which are grotesquely disfiguring.

It's immoral and it's evil, that's what it is.
gbguy20
2020-05-24T20:31:04Z
Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 

People always talk about the side effects being worse than the disease, but they never specify what these supposed side effects are, much less evaluate what the probabilities of their happening might be.

Ever wondered why one of the listed side effects for Imodium is diarrhea? Because if someone—anyone—reports that something—anything—happened while they were using a medication, the pharmaceutical companies are required by law to list it on the insert, regardless of whether there is the slightest bit of evidence or even plausibility that there could be any causal connection. So yeah, one of the side effects of Tylenol is headaches, and one of the side effects of Viagra is impotence. You're already experiencing those symptoms. They don't go away instantly!

The law is idiotic and, worse, counterproductive.

The availability of this meaningless information, devoid as it is of any context, freaks patients out and seriously damages the therapeutic relationship between doctor and patient. No matter how intelligent they think they are, laymen simply don't have the knowledge or expertise to properly assess these kinds of risks. I'm a medical school graduate who's spent years studying this stuff, and I'll freely tell you I don't know shit. Board-certified physicians have spent many more years studying this stuff, and they will tell you they don't know shit either. They forget more medicine on a daily basis than laymen will ever learn in their entire lifetimes. Why do patients fancy themselves qualified physicians just because they have Google, search results of which are driven by sensationalism, paranoia, and conspiracy theories, at their fingertips? It's annoying, it's a waste of precious time, and it's a classic case of the Dunning-Kruger effect in action. Worst of all, it can be downright dangerous.

Do yourself a favor: don't go on Google before you go to the doctor—or after you get home, for that matter. You don't know what the hell you're doing, and you're just going to cause yourself a ton of unnecessary anxiety and stress.



Can you post this last part to my antiviaxx, hypochondriac, google doctor of a sister in law, please?

She texted me that covid conspiracy video that went viral a couple of weeks ago freaking out to "make sure i watch it before they take it down so i dont miss out on the truth."
Cheesey
2020-05-24T21:30:32Z
Did any of you see what’s going on in major cities since the shutdown of restaurants?
The rats that are used to surviving off scraps in restaurant dumpsters are getting desperate. They are canabilizing, and looking for food where they usually don’t go.
So....will another plague be started by rats attacking people out of desperation? I saw a clip from New Orleans where the rats are over running the city streets.
Zero2Cool
2020-05-25T03:06:54Z
Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 

People always talk about the side effects being worse than the disease, but they never specify what these supposed side effects are, much less evaluate what the probabilities of their happening might be.

Ever wondered why one of the listed side effects for Imodium is diarrhea? Because if someone—anyone—reports that something—anything—happened while they were using a medication, the pharmaceutical companies are required by law to list it on the insert, regardless of whether there is the slightest bit of evidence or even plausibility that there could be any causal connection. So yeah, one of the side effects of Tylenol is headaches, and one of the side effects of Viagra is impotence. You're already experiencing those symptoms. They don't go away instantly!

The law is idiotic and, worse, counterproductive.

The availability of this meaningless information, devoid as it is of any context, freaks patients out and seriously damages the therapeutic relationship between doctor and patient. No matter how intelligent they think they are, laymen simply don't have the knowledge or expertise to properly assess these kinds of risks. I'm a medical school graduate who's spent years studying this stuff, and I'll freely tell you I don't know shit. Board-certified physicians have spent many more years studying this stuff, and they will tell you they don't know shit either. They forget more medicine on a daily basis than laymen will ever learn in their entire lifetimes. Why do patients fancy themselves qualified physicians just because they have Google, search results of which are driven by sensationalism, paranoia, and conspiracy theories, at their fingertips? It's annoying, it's a waste of precious time, and it's a classic case of the Dunning-Kruger effect in action. Worst of all, it can be downright dangerous.

Do yourself a favor: don't go on Google before you go to the doctor—or after you get home, for that matter. You don't know what the hell you're doing, and you're just going to cause yourself a ton of unnecessary anxiety and stress.



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Nonstopdrivel (15-May) : And thank you, everyone. Your kind words are much appreciated. It's been a long, long, long time in coming.
Nonstopdrivel (15-May) : Except that I'll be getting me Lombardi Trophy in the mail in a few weeks (Delayed by the idiotic coronavirus pan(Dem)ic, of course.
Cheesey (15-May) : Congrats NSD! I’m sorry u had to watch from home. Must feel like having a ticket to the super bowl, and watching on TV instead
yooperfan (14-May) : Congratulations NSD!
KRK (14-May) : Now you are truly Dr. NSD. Bravissimo
wpr (14-May) : Congratulations NSD. It's an honor in whatever form.
Nonstopdrivel (14-May) : my*
Nonstopdrivel (14-May) : Watching my medical school commencement from by living room. 😂
Cheesey (14-May) : My favorite position on the Packers is the PUNter!😝
Cheesey (14-May) : Does that mean I should be PUNished?🤪
Nonstopdrivel (12-May) : I'd say most of your puns recently have been more of a stretch than string cheese, but Nostridamus was a masterpiece. I wouldn't nominate it for a Pullitzer anyway.
Cheesey (12-May) : LOL Wayne! I appreciate your comment. You and Non made me feel my “cheesiness” is still worth something here.
wpr (12-May) : I will apologize Cheesey. I saw it and considered it to be the typical cheese spread. I failed to recognize the masterpiece of pun it truly is. mea culpa
Cheesey (12-May) : Nonstop, I honestly wondered if anyone would get it! And you probably were the only one! Good job!🤪
Nonstopdrivel (11-May) : "Nostridamus" -- that might be your best pun yet, not least because it took me almost an entire day to get it.
Cheesey (11-May) : Wayne...is she gonna keep YOU?😂
Cheesey (11-May) : Nostridamis told me that Booger was being released....from the end of my finger!😁
wpr (10-May) : last December. I think I'll keep her.
wpr (10-May) : Today's Mother's Day. My wife can watch whatever she wants. What was on our tv? Pride and Prejudice? Sense and Sensibility? Something on Hallmark Chanel? Nope. Star Trek, Dr Who and now Packers-Bears
Zero2Cool (10-May) : Both guys on MNF are replaced.
KRK (10-May) : Seriously, IMO he was excellent in the role he was in the previous year
KRK (10-May) : To be fair to the guy it snot all his fault.
Cheesey (10-May) : No “Booger?” I heard he was hand picked!😂
Nonstopdrivel (10-May) : Booger McFarland won't be back in the MNF booth this year. And there is much rejoicing.
Nonstopdrivel (10-May) : Happy Mothers Day to our resident Kevins: Zero2Cool and KRK.
Nonstopdrivel (10-May) : Nah, my record is squeaky clean. It's just a reminder of better times and bad mistakes.
KRK (10-May) : NSD, when you have a history of crime, it can't be easy :-)
beast (9-May) : A link to it on twitter
Nonstopdrivel (9-May) : Filling out background check applications is so fucking depressing.
KRK (9-May) : Beast, where did you see that...re Watson/Bears.
beast (9-May) : And PFT pulls back information from before his draft (including his own words), to suggest Watson might currently be mistaken.
beast (9-May) : Deshaun Watson tweets "The bears NEVER ONCE talked to me.." when aruging against the Bears evaluating him... on a discussion about teams choicing QB based on race.
Zero2Cool (8-May) : Yup. Make it like week 11 or something. Have some Hall of Fame induction thing or something.
Nonstopdrivel (8-May) : I would rather the entire league took off the same week.
Cheesey (8-May) : I don’t like it either, Zero. But there’s not much we can do about it.
Zero2Cool (8-May) : It'd be more important if the BYE was later. I don't like how the NFL does their BYE weeks.
Smokey (8-May) : Week 5 Bye as important as a game !
Zero2Cool (7-May) : And now it's being said Vikings week 1 vs Packers.
buckeyepackfan (7-May) : @Colts wk1 @Saints wk3 @49r's wk5 Yikes! 😁
buckeyepackfan (7-May) : @Colts-wk1 @Saints wam
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