Porforis
6 years ago

Whatever happened to the Aaron Rodgers who used to complete passes to eight, nine, even ten different receivers a game?

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 



The issue's not as severe as you seem to be making it out as. It's easy to lose sight of what normal is. Let's look at last year in games Rodgers played the entire game, and compare this to opposing teams.

Week one: Passes completed to 6 players, with number of targets being 12, 8, 7, 6, 4, 4. Opposing team completed passes to 6 players.
Week two: Passes completed to 9 players, with number of targets being 11, 10, 9, 7, 5, 4, 1, 1, 1. Opposing team completed passes to 7 players
Week three: Passes completed to 6 players, with number of targets being 12, 9, 8, 6, 4, 3. Opposing team completed passes to 6 players
Week four: Passes completed to 7 players, with number of targets being 7, 7, 5, 4, 2, 1, 1. Opposing team completed passes to 7 players.
Week five: Passes completed to 7 players, with number of targets being 7, 7, 5, 4, 2, 1, 1. Opposing team completed passes to 7 players.
Week six: Passes completed to 7 players, with number of targets being 11, 5, 4, 3, 1, 1, 1. Opposing team completed passes to 7 players.
Week fifteen: Passes completed to 7 players, with number of targets being 14, 8, 7, 6, 4, 2, 2. Opposing team completed passes to 5 players.

So last year, Rodgers averaged passes completed to 7 receivers per game, with opposing teams averaging passes completed to 6.4 receivers per game.

2016:
Week 1: Passes completed to 8 players. Opposing team completed passes to 7 players.
Week 2: Passes completed to 6 players. Opposing team completed passes to 7 players.
Week 3: Passes completed to 8 players. Opposing team completed passes to 7 players.
Week 5: Passes completed to 6 players. Opposing team completed passes to 6 players.
Week 6: Passes completed to 9 players. Opposing team completed passes to 6 players.
Week 7: Passes completed to 7 players. Opposing team completed passes to 6 players.
Week 8: Passes completed to 6 players. Opposing team completed passes to 8 players.
Week 9: Passes completed to 8 players. Opposing team completed passes to 9 players.
Week 10: Passes completed to 7 players. Opposing team completed passes to 6 players.
Week 11: Passes completed to 7 players. Opposing team completed passes to 7 players.
Week 12: Passes completed to 8 players. Opposing team completed passes to 8 players.
Week 13: Passes completed to 6 players. Opposing team completed passes to 9 players.
Week 14: Passes completed to 6 players. Opposing team completed passes to 6 players.
Week 15: Passes completed to 8 players. Opposing team completed passes to 8 players.
Week 16: Passes completed to 8 players. Opposing team completed passes to 6 players.

So in 2016, Rodgers averaged passed completed to 7.2 receivers per game, with opposing teams averaging passes completed to 7.1 receivers per game

Tried finding some statistics for the league but couldn't find anything using any of the search terms I could think up of. Point being - the stats just don't back up the assertion that Rodgers locks in on one or two guys and ignores everyone else. Or at least, not any more than any other player does. In fact, he consistently spreads the ball around MORE than our opponents do, and there's not a ton of variation between number of targets for his #1 target, and number of targets for his #3 or even #4 most targeted receiver in any given game.
sschind
6 years ago

I am not that confident the Packers win if they make those kicks. I'm more confident that the Lions were playing bend don't break and that's why we were even able to get into FG range. The Packers were down 24 at half time and it felt double that the entire game.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 




That's a very good point. Even on offense if the Packers make the first two kicks do the Lions try something else on offense. What about the third and fourth. They didn't score much in the second half. How much was the Packers D stiffening up and how much was the Lions O going conservative. Make a couple of those FGs and maybe Detroit plays differently.

What very well may have won them the game is turning at least a few of those FG attempts into TDs. That's what is bothering me the most about this offense so far. The funny thing is that Crosby has made 16 attempts so far but none have been from closer than 30 yards. The Packers are moving the ball to the tune of 400 yards per game but it just isn't translating into TDs Same with the vikings game. Put 1 or 2 of those drives into the endzone and its a win instead of a tie. They need to put the ball into the endzone and stop relying on Mason Crosby to make those FGs.
dyeah_gb
6 years ago

That's a very good point. Even on offense if the Packers make the first two kicks do the Lions try something else on offense. What about the third and fourth. They didn't score much in the second half. How much was the Packers D stiffening up and how much was the Lions O going conservative. Make a couple of those FGs and maybe Detroit plays differently.

What very well may have won them the game is turning at least a few of those FG attempts into TDs. That's what is bothering me the most about this offense so far. The funny thing is that Crosby has made 16 attempts so far but none have been from closer than 30 yards. The Packers are moving the ball to the tune of 400 yards per game but it just isn't translating into TDs Same with the vikings game. Put 1 or 2 of those drives into the endzone and its a win instead of a tie. They need to put the ball into the endzone and stop relying on Mason Crosby to make those FGs.

Originally Posted by: sschind 



Just to play devil's advocate, if the Lions were forced to be more aggressive on offense, Stafford could have thrown 2 INTs. I don't have a high opinion of him. Especially since the loss of a Megatron, Stafford is probably best playing with a lead handed to him by the refs and running a basic offense.
The first principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool - R. Feynman
Zero2Cool
6 years ago

Just to play devil's advocate, if the Lions were forced to be more aggressive on offense, Stafford could have thrown 2 INTs. I don't have a high opinion of him. Especially since the loss of a Megatron, Stafford is probably best playing with a lead handed to him by the refs and running a basic offense.

Originally Posted by: dyeah_gb 



Just to play Angel's Advocate, Matthew Stafford is pretty good QB and those WR abuse the Packers all the time. Jones, Tate and now Golloday. It would have been worse had me made those FG's.
UserPostedImage
dyeah_gb
6 years ago

Just to play Angel's Advocate, Matthew Stafford is pretty good QB and those WR abuse the Packers all the time. Jones, Tate and now Golloday. It would have been worse had me made those FG's.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Jets vs. Lions 
The first principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool - R. Feynman
Bigbyfan
6 years ago
The outcome of the game would have been worse if the Packers made their kicks.... can't say I've heard that logic before lol
blank
Zero2Cool
6 years ago

The outcome of the game would have been worse if the Packers made their kicks.... can't say I've heard that logic before lol

Originally Posted by: Bigbyfan 



Understandable, however, the Packers couldn't stop the Lions offense. When has the Packers defense got a needed stop? It doesn't happen much. They have good 2nd half success because the Packers are playing from behind and teams play more conservative.

I would have much rather had those FG's been made and proven wrong, absolutely. Watching the game, seeing the WR abuse the Packers secondary, and no pass rush, I just don't see how Lions don't stay ahead of the Packers. Especially with the stupid ass bullshit officiating. That fucking ball didn't hit King!!
UserPostedImage
Nonstopdrivel
6 years ago
Tramon Williams has come out and said that the officials told them on the field that the ball had touched the Lions first but that they were awarding the ball to the Lions anyway. Maybe there's something to nerdmann's conspiracy theories after all!
UserPostedImage
yooperfan
6 years ago

Tramon Williams has come out and said that the officials told them on the field that the ball had touched the Lions first but that they were awarding the ball to the Lions anyway. Maybe there's something to nerdmann's conspiracy theories after all!

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 


As bad as NFL officiating has become, that's just hard to believe even for me who has walked away from the NFL in part because of bullshit like that.

sschind
6 years ago

Just to play devil's advocate, if the Lions were forced to be more aggressive on offense, Stafford could have thrown 2 INTs. I don't have a high opinion of him. Especially since the loss of a Megatron, Stafford is probably best playing with a lead handed to him by the refs and running a basic offense.

Originally Posted by: dyeah_gb 



That is entirely possible and it just helps prove the point that if the Packers had made all their field goals and extra points that the end result would not have automatically been a 33-31 Packer victory. They may have won and they may have lost by even more. There is no way to know and it is very shortsighted to simply say if they would have made the kicks they would have won.
Fan Shout
beast (43m) : What is he supposed to say? He doesn't want players currently on the team?
Martha Careful (5h) : meh
Zero2Cool (9h) : Sounds like Walker and Wyatt will be with Packers for beyond 2026
Zero2Cool (9h) : It's so awesome.
Zero2Cool (9h) : new site fan shout post fast
wpr (12h) : Slow posting in Fan shout.
wpr (12h) : Only 4
wpr (12h) : Only 4
Zero2Cool (15h) : If only we had a topic to read about and discuss it. That's something new website must have!!!
dfosterf (15h) : Justice Musqueda over at Acme Packing put up an excellent synopsis of the Packers 1st round options this am
wpr (19-Apr) : 5 days
beast (18-Apr) : 6 days
wpr (17-Apr) : 7 days
Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : sounds like Packers don't get good compensation, Jaire staying
dfosterf (16-Apr) : Nobody coming up with a keep, but at x amount
dfosterf (16-Apr) : Trade, cut or keep
dfosterf (16-Apr) : that from Jaire
dfosterf (16-Apr) : My guess is the Packers floated the concept of a reworked contract via his agent and agent got a f'
Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : Yes, and that is why I think Rob worded it how he did. Rather than say "agent"
dfosterf (16-Apr) : Same laws apply. Agent must present such an offer to Jaire. Cannot accept or reject without presenting it
Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : I'm thinking that is why Rob worded it how he did.
dfosterf (16-Apr) : The Packers can certainly still make the offer to the agent
dfosterf (16-Apr) : Laws of agency and definition of fiduciary responsibility
dfosterf (16-Apr) : Jaire is open to a reduced contract without Jaire's permission
dfosterf (16-Apr) : The agent would arguably violate the law if he were to tell the Packers
Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : That someone ... likely the agent.
Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : So, Jaire has not been offered nor rejected a pay reduction, but someone says he'd decline.
Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : Demovksy says t was direct communication with someone familiar with Jaire’s line of thinking at that moment.
Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : Demovsky just replied to me a bit ago. Jaire hasn't said it.
dfosterf (16-Apr) : Of course, that depends on the definition of "we"
dfosterf (16-Apr) : We have been told that they haven't because he wouldn't accept it. I submit we don't know that
dfosterf (16-Apr) : What is the downside in making a calculated reduced offer to Jaire?
Zero2Cool (15-Apr) : Packers are receiving interest in Jaire Alexander but a trade is not imminent
Zero2Cool (15-Apr) : Jalen Ramsey wants to be traded. He's never happy is he?
Zero2Cool (15-Apr) : two 1sts in 2022 and two 2nd's in 2023 and 2024
Zero2Cool (15-Apr) : Packers had fortunate last three drafts.
dfosterf (15-Apr) : I may have to move
dfosterf (15-Apr) : My wife just told the ancient Japanese sushi dude not enough rice under his fish
Zero2Cool (14-Apr) : I think a dozen is what I need
dfosterf (14-Apr) : Go fund me for this purpose just might work. A dozen nurses show up at 1265 to provide mental health assistance.
dfosterf (14-Apr) : Maybe send a crew of Angels to the Packers draft room on draft day.
Zero2Cool (14-Apr) : I am the Angel that gets visited.
dfosterf (14-Apr) : Visiting Angels has a pretty good reputation
Zero2Cool (14-Apr) : what
Martha Careful (14-Apr) : WINNING IT, not someone else losing it. The best victory though was re-uniting with his wife
Martha Careful (14-Apr) : The manner in which he won it was just amazing and wonderful. First blowing the lead then getting back, then blowing it. But ultimately
Zero2Cool (12-Apr) : I'm guessing since the thumb was broken, he wasn't feeling it.
dfosterf (10-Apr) : Looking for guidance. Not feeling the thumb.
Mucky Tundra (10-Apr) : If they knew about it or not
Mucky Tundra (10-Apr) : I don't recall that he did which is why I asked.
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2024 Packers Schedule
Friday, Sep 6 @ 7:15 PM
Eagles
Sunday, Sep 15 @ 12:00 PM
COLTS
Sunday, Sep 22 @ 12:00 PM
Titans
Sunday, Sep 29 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Sunday, Oct 6 @ 3:25 PM
Rams
Sunday, Oct 13 @ 12:00 PM
CARDINALS
Sunday, Oct 20 @ 12:00 PM
TEXANS
Sunday, Oct 27 @ 12:00 PM
Jaguars
Sunday, Nov 3 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Sunday, Nov 17 @ 12:00 PM
Bears
Sunday, Nov 24 @ 3:25 PM
49ERS
Thursday, Nov 28 @ 7:20 PM
DOLPHINS
Thursday, Dec 5 @ 7:15 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 15 @ 7:20 PM
Seahawks
Monday, Dec 23 @ 7:15 PM
SAINTS
Sunday, Dec 29 @ 3:25 PM
Vikings
Sunday, Jan 5 @ 12:00 PM
BEARS
Recent Topics
2h / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

17-Apr / Random Babble / wpr

16-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

13-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

12-Apr / Feedback, Suggestions and Issues / Zero2Cool

11-Apr / Feedback, Suggestions and Issues / Rockmolder

2-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

2-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

1-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

1-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

31-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

30-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

29-Mar / Random Babble / wpr

28-Mar / Random Babble / Martha Careful

26-Mar / Random Babble / Mucky Tundra

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.