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Offline MintBaconDrivel  
#1 Posted : Tuesday, May 14, 2013 3:59:38 AM(UTC)
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If I put the over/under on the number of rookies the Packers will have starting on the offensive line for the regular season opener at 0.5, would you take the over or the under? What if I changed the season opener to week 10, but kept the over/under at 0.5? If you believe some of [...]
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#2 Posted : Tuesday, May 14, 2013 4:17:32 PM(UTC)
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I believe one of the rookies will beat out EDS.
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, May 14, 2013 5:41:30 PM(UTC)
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Reading the article, the author seems to think it would take multiple injuries for a rookie to crack the starting lineup.

I agree.

I don't want to see a rookie lineman starting this year, let these guys develop a little.

Dietrich-Smith was the starting C at the end of last year and should stay there.

RT is the only real ? now that the "shuffle" has occurred.

The Packers don't want to go into TC with multiple positions on the O-line up in the air.
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, May 14, 2013 5:54:56 PM(UTC)
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I'll take the under, please.
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#5 Posted : Tuesday, May 14, 2013 6:06:15 PM(UTC)
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I've seen a strong correlation over the years/decades of O Line stability and success. That's the goal. The left/right shuffling more about setting up something that doesn't need juggling. Put me down as on the side of thinking EDS is the solution at center. As for RT, I'm rooting for Sherrod. After not taking an O Lineman in the early rounds, I had high hopes that it meant they were confident in Sherrod coming back strong. However, the shuffling tends to indicate otherwise. In any case, the open competition should result in the best man for the job, and with some luck healthwise, we should have stability for the season and maybe beyond.
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#6 Posted : Tuesday, May 14, 2013 8:59:26 PM(UTC)
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I'm rooting for Sherrod at RT too. Although he might as well be a rookie, I don't think he has started a regular season game yet. Time will tell if he can beat out Newhouse and Barclay.

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Improvements can and should be made over EDS and Newhouse. I think both will be pushed in training camp but both will hold on to their jobs. The rookies, Datko, Barclay, and Van Roten will have to play their asses off to win the jobs. I really wish we would have gotten the center from Cal, but am glad we finally got some much needed talent at running back. Can't have everything all at once, well not if you intend on remaining fiscally responsible and run marathons instead of sprints.
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#8 Posted : Wednesday, May 15, 2013 6:59:59 AM(UTC)
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Maybe not this year, but next year one of this years rookies hopefully overtakes EDS, unless he makes a nice jump in his game. Center is one position that I believe, with a good player, can make a big difference on our Oline. Of course, we need one of the tackles to step up also. We have a number of possibilities, hopefully one or more come through.
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#9 Posted : Wednesday, May 15, 2013 7:18:45 AM(UTC)
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Center Patrick Lewis will be very stiff competition for EDS this year.

He's 6-2 309, and led the Aggies OL in very successful rushing and passing attacks. The Aggies rushed for an average of 242 yds per game with him at C, a 5.9 yd per rush average. Over 3000 yds rushing and 46 TDs!

I think this kid wins a starting job this year. Pure Center. Started all 4 years at Texas A&M, two seasons at G and two at C. He was the Center for Johnny Football, where they averaged 282 yds per game through the air, almost 4000 yds on the season, adding another 26 TDs, 68% completion percentage and a 155 QB rating... Patrick Lewis knows how to play Center. What a great signing by Ted!
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#10 Posted : Wednesday, May 15, 2013 8:34:30 AM(UTC)
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I've read 3 scouting reports on Lewis and they all agree that he's a good pass blocker and smart, but a poor run blocker who isn't physical enough and doesn't finish his blocks. He is rated as a backup in the NFL at best. I can see him making the practice squad and being developed...a guy with smarts who has good pass blocking technique can probably learn the rest of his game, but I wouldn't expect him to make an impact this year.

With Sherrod and Datko rehabbed from injuries, as well as the two versatile OL drafted this year, TC is going to be very interesting this year with a lot of decent players vying for a limited number of spots. I am thinking Bulago, Sitton, EDS, Datk, Barclay and the two rookies, with Sherrod and Lang fighting it out for the last spot.
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#11 Posted : Wednesday, May 15, 2013 8:48:32 AM(UTC)
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So the question is could they start a rookie - Sure! if the guy is good and learns the system ... which I hope ... for some reason these new guys remind me of the year (few years back) when we had giocomini (spelling) and some other dude in our lineup... hope they are better ... they just look similar :)

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Only if the rookies resemble those who started from the Packers 2000 draft class.

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Only if the rookies resemble those who started from the Packers 2000 draft class.


That's what I'm talking about Jack!

EDS and Newhouse need to be replaced as soon as somebody wants to step up. EDS and Newhouse are very good back up role players forced to be starters. Oh yeah, and a replacement at offensive line coach wouldn't hurt either.
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#14 Posted : Wednesday, May 15, 2013 11:24:03 AM(UTC)
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OlHoss1884, I don't know how to weigh some of the scouting reports. Going 11-2 in the SEC with the success they had running the ball, I find it a bit difficult to imagine the guy cannot run block. In 2011, his first year starting at C, the Aggies rushed or 199 yds per game, #24 in the nation. The numbers from last year I've already posted.

Here's some video of him to see for yourself. Only one highlight video of him specifically at C, this game against Auburn:
http://draftbreakdown.co...ick-lewis-vs-auburn-2012

This one is a bit of a time commitment: A great game by him vs. Florida, with a pretty impressive 2nd series and half in no huddle. This is the whole game, against a very good Florida defense (commercials are already FFW which is good) He made a couple of mental mistakes early and late in the game, but overall played well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knomDd-Odg0

I'd say his run blocking was quite solid here, and look at his ability to quickly get to the 2nd level on screens - very quick. Impressive. He seems to have a really great ability to absorb an opponent's momentum and redirect him out away from the direction of the play. Had a great 1st half, with some nice inside run blocking 2nd quarter. Can't help but notice he is one hell of a pass protector too. He seems to play really smart, and runs a very fast tempo no huddle, making all the line calls. I thought looking at a close Aggies loss against a tough Florida team would give us a better picture of him and how he plays.

Then there is their win v. Bama:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tccxirXrK7w

Kind of funny, a Jesse Williams highlight video that makes Lewis look pretty good, from the same game:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qbMEu96hcE

Win vs. Oklahoma in the Cotton Bowl:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQR2ssvsRUs


Another note on Lewis that I find interesting is that his backup at Texas A&M was Mike Matthews, Clay's cousin. I'd say some word got around on this player in the Packers offices. Patrick Lewis seems pretty tough and smart on the line, and I think he looks like he could make a great C for us. Maybe beats out EDS and starts this year.
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#15 Posted : Wednesday, May 15, 2013 12:53:37 PM(UTC)
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I'm a supporter of EDS, and I also believe centers can be made from other O Linemen - that college experience at the position isn't a prerequisite. Just the same, I agree that this Patrick Lewis seems like a real find.

There are at least half a dozen of those among this year's UDFAs. Is Ted Thompson just that good? Or is there some extenuating circumstance that kept these guys from getting drafted?
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