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Offline Formo  
#1 Posted : Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:38:20 AM(UTC)
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http://www.savethevikes....ings-stadium-bill-mnleg/

http://www.twincities.co...-propose-bill?source=pkg

I've always said that I won't follow the team if they moved because I was a MINNESOTA Viking fan first. But in this instance, I'm pretty sure I'll follow them with ease.

This states' legislature/government AND voters, for the most part, is the worst.

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#2 Posted : Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:58:31 AM(UTC)
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I haven't clicked the links. What is happening? I'd like to see the Vikings stay (easy wins for the Packers plus their fans can't debate worth a damn) and have an open stadium. I also think the Detroit Lions should have an open stadium.

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Indianapolis Colts

Each of those teams should go to a full time open roof stadium.

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#3 Posted : Tuesday, April 17, 2012 11:02:42 AM(UTC)
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In all fairness to the other teams in the league why can't all the teams issue not voting stock? It is a tax on the sports fans who want to contribute.

No one will bellyache about the new stadium only those who want it would be paying for it.
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, April 17, 2012 11:06:56 AM(UTC)
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I haven't clicked the links. What is happening? I'd like to see the Vikings stay (easy wins for the Packers plus their fans can't debate worth a damn) and have an open stadium.


The first two paragraphs on the Pioneer Press article:

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After clearing two House committees with relative ease this month, a bill to use public money to help build a Minnesota Vikings stadium in Minneapolis was defeated Monday night, April 16, in a third, dealing a potentially fatal blow to the project's chances this legislative session.

In a 9-6 vote that was bipartisan in its opposition, the House Government Operations and Elections Committee declined to go along with even a watered-down motion to pass the bill "without recommendation" to the House Taxes Committee.


And the SaveTheVikes.org update:

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Members of the Operations House Committee who defeated the Vikings stadium bill

The Vikings quest for a new home, keeping the team in Minnesota suffered a huge set back last night, potentially sending the team to Los Angeles.

Below is the contact information of the Legislators who voted out the purple and gold. Please contact them expressing your frustrations.

Tell them, we’ll remember in November.

We have always stayed away from making this a partisan issue, but notably last night five Republicans voted for the stadium and only one Democrat supported it. With labor unions pushing hard on Democrats to help with the 20 percent unemployment among the labor trades we are shocked that the DFL let down their union supporters.

Tell them, we’ll remember in November.

Rep. Joyce Peppin
651-296-7806
E-mail: rep.joyce.peppin@house.mn

Rep. Rich Murray
651-296-8216
E-mail: rep.rich.murray@house.mn

Rep. Marion Greene
651-296-0171
E-mail: rep.marion.greene@house.mn

Rep. David Hancock
651-296-4265
E-mail: rep.david.hancock@house.mn

Rep. Frank Hornstein
651-296-9281
E-mail: rep.frank.hornstein@house.mn

Rep. Duane Quam
651-296-9236
E-mail: rep.duane.quam@house.mn

Rep. Bev Scalze
651-296-7153
E-mail: rep.bev.scalze@house.mn

Rep. Steve Simon
651-296-9889
E-mail: rep.steve.simon@house.mn

Rep. Dean Urdahl
651-296-4344
E-mail: rep.dean.urdahl@house.mn

Rep. Ryan Winkler
651-296-7026
E-mail: rep.ryan.winkler@house.mn
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#5 Posted : Tuesday, April 17, 2012 11:15:55 AM(UTC)
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I fail to understand how any city would not want an NFL team. I don't know the details on this, but it just seems odd to me that this seems to be a bigger issue than I feel it needs to be.


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#6 Posted : Tuesday, April 17, 2012 12:27:43 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
I fail to understand how any city would not want an NFL team. I don't know the details on this, but it just seems odd to me that this seems to be a bigger issue than I feel it needs to be.



All the spin-off taxation revenue is huge. They won't help a sport franchise, but where will they be when a bunch of bars and restaurants start folding up shop and tourism and hotel stays drop?
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#7 Posted : Tuesday, April 17, 2012 12:27:46 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
I fail to understand how any city would not want an NFL team. I don't know the details on this, but it just seems odd to me that this seems to be a bigger issue than I feel it needs to be.



I agree.
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#8 Posted : Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:04:22 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Formo Go to Quoted Post
I agree.


Did or didn't the state of Minnesota vote in a bunch of new representatives to curb government spending? Seems to me the people of Minnesota have spoken loud and clear that they don't want unnecessary government spending. It sucks for Viking fans but they still have an outdated stadium to play in. I know it's there, I drove right by it on Friday.


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#9 Posted : Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:35:09 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
Did or didn't the state of Minnesota vote in a bunch of new representatives to curb government spending? Seems to me the people of Minnesota have spoken loud and clear that they don't want unnecessary government spending. It sucks for Viking fans but they still have an outdated stadium to play in. I know it's there, I drove right by it on Friday.




Was the roof standing that day? Laugh

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#10 Posted : Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:43:36 PM(UTC)
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Did or didn't the state of Minnesota vote in a bunch of new representatives to curb government spending? Seems to me the people of Minnesota have spoken loud and clear that they don't want unnecessary government spending. It sucks for Viking fans but they still have an outdated stadium to play in. I know it's there, I drove right by it on Friday.




Government spending of what, in this case?

Casino money? Or taxes that MPLS pays already?
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#11 Posted : Tuesday, April 17, 2012 2:49:08 PM(UTC)
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I feel sad for Jeremy and other Viking fans. And for those bars,etc. that might have to close/lay off staff if the Vikes move. And it won't be the same making jokes about a team in California who happens to wear purple.

But if I were a citizen of Minnesota, I'd be applauding. There are lots of ways of investing 400-500 million dollars of public money. Most of which are better investments for the overall "economy" than building a professional sport stadium.

IMO.

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#12 Posted : Tuesday, April 17, 2012 3:14:28 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Wade Go to Quoted Post
I feel sad for Jeremy and other Viking fans. And for those bars,etc. that might have to close/lay off staff if the Vikes move. And it won't be the same making jokes about a team in California who happens to wear purple.

But if I were a citizen of Minnesota, I'd be applauding. There are lots of ways of investing 400-500 million dollars of public money. Most of which are better investments for the overall "economy" than building a professional sport stadium.

IMO.



If the Vikings follow the Lakers and leave Minn and move to LA they will be in the NFC West within 5 years. Ironically the Rams will take their place in the "Norris" Division.

I have long been an advocate of not building these new monuments for the sports franchises on the backs of the taxpayers. And if they have to build them then make them multifunctional. It is ludicrous to build a football only facility. 8 regular season games, 2 preseason and the fortunate few teams get a couple of playoff games to boot. That is insane.

I admire the Jets and Giants sharing a facility. I wish other cities went back to baseball and football in the same stadium. And tearing a facility down after it is only 25-30 even 40 years old is criminal.
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#13 Posted : Tuesday, April 17, 2012 3:42:41 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
I admire the Jets and Giants sharing a facility. I wish other cities went back to baseball and football in the same stadium. And tearing a facility down after it is only 25-30 even 40 years old is criminal.


Stupidest thing ever was having Baseball and Football on the same field. What NFL player wants to run on that unsafe terrain?

I like the idea of using the stadium for multiple events. I think it's kind of crazy to let the stadium be used what a max of 10 times a year? Throw concerts or something in there too!!

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#14 Posted : Tuesday, April 17, 2012 7:14:06 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
Stupidest thing ever was having Baseball and Football on the same field. What NFL player wants to run on that unsafe terrain?

I like the idea of using the stadium for multiple events. I think it's kind of crazy to let the stadium be used what a max of 10 times a year? Throw concerts or something in there too!!


Yeah concerts. Even in NY that might get you 5- more events a year. How about XC racing and tractor pulls? Duh!
If the grounds crew does a good job they will be safe from field related injuries. I have seen some pretty shabby fields after a concert. Atlanta's Fulton County Stadium back in the 70' and 80's was notorious for poor field conditions after a concert. To name just one.
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#15 Posted : Tuesday, April 17, 2012 7:32:35 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Wade Go to Quoted Post
I feel sad for Jeremy and other Viking fans. And for those bars,etc. that might have to close/lay off staff if the Vikes move. And it won't be the same making jokes about a team in California who happens to wear purple.

But if I were a citizen of Minnesota, I'd be applauding. There are lots of ways of investing 400-500 million dollars of public money. Most of which are better investments for the overall "economy" than building a professional sport stadium.

IMO.



I know you are our local anarchist, but the 'public money' you and others keep trumpeting/whining about is money that A) doesn't come from any new taxes, B) doesn't come from any general coffers, and C) is hardly considered public. The only real 'tax' that would be paid for the stadium would be a MPLS tax that would be extended (the tax that pays for the convention center).

That, and the stadium wouldn't even be owned or operated by the Vikings but the state appointed sports commission committee. The state would generate money from ALL uses of the stadium with the only exception of NFL football related events. That bill was about as 'fair' as you could get because the state would have most definitely gotten it's money back from it's investment (and surely you know what that is).
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