beast
5 years ago

The price for Brown would be too high.

Adams and the return of Allison will leave one "slot" for a WR. I'll bet that will not be a problem for one or more 2nd yr WRs.

Originally Posted by: Smokey 


The price for Brown very well could be too high, but this also highlights part of the reason the Packers struggled last season, because they didn't have a #2 WR, and we're currently penciling in a guy that hasn't averaged 255 yards per season as a starter... those he did get 303 yards in 5 games (average of 970 yards over a 16 game period).

I think this shows the Packers should also be looking at potential options to upgrade their WRs too and not hoping they develop...

Also this is if Gute puts a tender on Allison as I believe he's an RFA this season, I'm thinking they will, but Gute also didn't tender some th a t I thought they would last season.

UserPostedImage
Zero2Cool
5 years ago

I read somewhere that he has a 21 million cap hit next year and 22 million the next

Originally Posted by: dhazer 



I believe if they trade him after June 1st, it's more than half of the $21 million that will be dead. I thought it was $7.35 million, but cannot remember where I heard it from. It was someone on NFL Network I think.


Actually, here's the numbers.
Dead money $7,040,000
Savings $15,125,000

https://overthecap.com/player/antonio-brown/1579/ 
UserPostedImage
Rockmolder
5 years ago

Not interested.

He's 30. More than likely his best years are gone. In general his best years were 13-17. I think his production will decline over the next 4 years of his contract but his salary won't.

He is getting $17 mil a year. He's the second highest paid WR (barring future deals) for the next 4 years. He was #9 in receptions and #11 in yards #3 in targets and #1 in TDs. You can't tell me that GB can't draft a WR who will put up good numbers for a fraction of the cost.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



This is my biggest problem, as well. You're investing a lot of money in a guy who's most likely on the decline, already. That said, he does show the kind of awareness and ability on the field that makes you think you could get another 4 years of really good production out of him. Next to that, an AB at 80% is still better than anyone we've had on the field since 2004 Javon Walker. I'm on the fence about this one. It's a big gamble.

For the record, Adams was #2 in targets and TDs. If Brown was on the team both Adams and Browns numbers would drop.



I'd hope so. One of our biggest problems is that there's no viable starting WR next to Adams. I'd like for his targets to drop a bit. I don't know if Browns' numbers would take a big hit. He's already playing next to Smith-Schuster who caught 111 passes this year.

I seriously doubt Pitt would want anything less than a #1 pick for him. I want GB's #1 pick to last at least 7 years.



I agree if you're talking about the nr. 12 pick. The number 28-32 pick, I don't know. At that point you're getting into territory where you're not drafting the true top guys anymore. I know it's not a very good metric, but just to illustrate... Between '08 and '16, there've been 44 selections in that range, of which just 9 made the Pro Bowl. Again, not a great metric, but the chance you're drafting a Derek Sherrod, Kelvin Benjamin or a Beanie Wells is so much bigger than hitting on a guy like Eric Wood or Cameron Heyward.

Not taking the contract into account and looking at our current situation... I'd rather have 4 years of AB than taking a chance on a guy like Parris Campbell. AB would be ready to play immediately, something first year receivers usually can't do. Also, you're in a bit of a win now mode, with Rodgers most likely not having a lot more than 4 years of good play left.

Like most, though, I'm stuck on that contract. I don't see how you can make this big an investment in one 30 year old receiver, while you have holes at nearly every position on defense.
Zero2Cool
5 years ago
How many were All Pro? Pro Bowl is a joke, we shouldn't ever discuss it or use it in any sentence ever. All Pro is where it's at folks!
UserPostedImage
Rockmolder
5 years ago

The price for Brown very well could be too high, but this also highlights part of the reason the Packers struggled last season, because they didn't have a #2 WR, and we're currently penciling in a guy that hasn't averaged 255 yards per season as a starter... those he did get 303 yards in 5 games (average of 970 yards over a 16 game period).

I think this shows the Packers should also be looking at potential options to upgrade their WRs too and not hoping they develop...

Also this is if Gute puts a tender on Allison as I believe he's an RFA this season, I'm thinking they will, but Gute also didn't tender some th a t I thought they would last season.

Originally Posted by: beast 



I fully agree. It's been this way for way too long. As much as we've been harping on McCarthy for his outdated schemes, Rodgers for holding the ball too long and (inexplicably), the o-line, our receiving group shoulders as much of the blame, if not more.

The best example of this, for me, is James Jones. He couldn't even make a roster one year after leaving us, only to return and get nearly a 1.000 yards in a season. There's been way too little effort to give Rodgers the weapons he needs, just because he's good enough without them.
wpr
  • wpr
  • Preferred Member
5 years ago

This is my biggest problem, as well. You're investing a lot of money in a guy who's most likely on the decline, already. That said, he does show the kind of awareness and ability on the field that makes you think you could get another 4 years of really good production out of him. Next to that, an AB at 80% is still better than anyone we've had on the field since 2004 Javon Walker. I'm on the fence about this one. It's a big gamble.



I'd hope so. One of our biggest problems is that there's no viable starting WR next to Adams. I'd like for his targets to drop a bit. I don't know if Browns' numbers would take a big hit. He's already playing next to Smith-Schuster who caught 111 passes this year.



I agree if you're talking about the nr. 12 pick. The number 28-32 pick, I don't know. At that point you're getting into territory where you're not drafting the true top guys anymore. I know it's not a very good metric, but just to illustrate... Between '08 and '16, there've been 44 selections in that range, of which just 9 made the Pro Bowl. Again, not a great metric, but the chance you're drafting a Derek Sherrod, Kelvin Benjamin or a Beanie Wells is so much bigger than hitting on a guy like Eric Wood or Cameron Heyward.

Not taking the contract into account and looking at our current situation... I'd rather have 4 years of AB than taking a chance on a guy like Parris Campbell. AB would be ready to play immediately, something first year receivers usually can't do. Also, you're in a bit of a win now mode, with Rodgers most likely not having a lot more than 4 years of good play left.

Like most, though, I'm stuck on that contract. I don't see how you can make this big an investment in one 30 year old receiver, while you have holes at nearly every position on defense.

Originally Posted by: Rockmolder 



One of the many reasons I would never make a good GM. It's too easy for me to see the potential negatives in a deal. I struggle to accept the benefits for our team are real.

UserPostedImage
sschind
5 years ago
Our receiving corps was once the best in the NFL and not too long ago at that. It has been going downhill steadily for a while now. Trying to replace proven veterans with late round potential hasn't been very effective. Whether it is because Ted bought into the WR guru label many fans bestowed on him (mistakenly IMO) or the idea Aaron Rodgers could make any WR into a good one the fact is in the last 20 years we have only had 1 decent WR who wasn't drafted in the 3rd round or higher. Every now and the we drafted a WR on day 2 and in other years try to support him with day three projects who have not panned out.

IMO its time to spend another early pick on a WR or bring in another via FA to complement Adams. Unfortunately I don't think there are many FAs who would really fit the bill. Antonio Brown would be expensive but for what run of the mill #2 WRs have been signing for in recent years he just might be worth it.

I know some people don't like the idea of spending a high pick on a WR because they point to guys like Driver and Brown himself and say "see, its a waste of a pick to take a WR high because you can get guys like this in the 6th and 7th rounds" Yes you can but you had better plan on drafting a bunch of them because the vast majority will flop.

If we bring in Brown I doubt either he nor Adams would lead the league in any passing categories (maybe average) simply because the targets would be split up but I could easily see both of them hovering around the middle of the top 10 and I would take that in a heartbeat.

Brown would certainly be worth the #32 pick IMO. I even think his salary could be justified. Still I'm not convinced. I'm a bit like WPR in that his age and the fact that in the first year he was overshadowed by a fellow WR he seemed to throw a fit throws up red flags.

I'm going to treat this like I did the Mack thing. Overall I would say I am opposed but I certainly see the advantages of bringing him in and if we do I'm not going to be upset about it.

One thing I feel for certain is that we need help art WR. Allison is a wild card but he is still unproven. Super Jake and the wonder triplets will probably produce 1 above average and 1 average WR at best between the 4 of them and I am not sure I have seen anything from any of them to make me think any of them will be that full time #2 guy.
Porforis
5 years ago

Our receiving corps was once the best in the NFL and not too long ago at that. It has been going downhill steadily for a while now. Trying to replace proven veterans with late round potential hasn't been very effective. Whether it is because Ted bought into the WR guru label many fans bestowed on him (mistakenly IMO) or the idea Aaron Rodgers could make any WR into a good one the fact is in the last 20 years we have only had 1 decent WR who wasn't drafted in the 3rd round or higher. Every now and the we drafted a WR on day 2 and in other years try to support him with day three projects who have not panned out.

IMO its time to spend another early pick on a WR or bring in another via FA to complement Adams. Unfortunately I don't think there are many FAs who would really fit the bill. Antonio Brown would be expensive but for what run of the mill #2 WRs have been signing for in recent years he just might be worth it.

I know some people don't like the idea of spending a high pick on a WR because they point to guys like Driver and Brown himself and say "see, its a waste of a pick to take a WR high because you can get guys like this in the 6th and 7th rounds" Yes you can but you had better plan on drafting a bunch of them because the vast majority will flop.

If we bring in Brown I doubt either he nor Adams would lead the league in any passing categories (maybe average) simply because the targets would be split up but I could easily see both of them hovering around the middle of the top 10 and I would take that in a heartbeat.

Brown would certainly be worth the #32 pick IMO. I even think his salary could be justified. Still I'm not convinced. I'm a bit like WPR in that his age and the fact that in the first year he was overshadowed by a fellow WR he seemed to throw a fit throws up red flags.

I'm going to treat this like I did the Mack thing. Overall I would say I am opposed but I certainly see the advantages of bringing him in and if we do I'm not going to be upset about it.

One thing I feel for certain is that we need help art WR. Allison is a wild card but he is still unproven. Super Jake and the wonder triplets will probably produce 1 above average and 1 average WR at best between the 4 of them and I am not sure I have seen anything from any of them to make me think any of them will be that full time #2 guy.

Originally Posted by: sschind 



I think a lot of the reason why we haven't invested a high round pick in a WR is because we've been having so many issues on defense for so many years. Since 2012, we've barely spent any 1st-3rd round picks on offense because of glaring needs elsewhere.
sschind
5 years ago

I think a lot of the reason why we haven't invested a high round pick in a WR is because we've been having so many issues on defense for so many years. Since 2012, we've barely spent any 1st-3rd round picks on offense because of glaring needs elsewhere.

Originally Posted by: Porforis 



That is a good point and I agree (gee didn't I just type the same thing in reply to one of your other posts) but whether they didn't choose a WR higher because they didn't think they needed to or because they didn't think the could afford to doesn't change the fact that they didn't and it has put us where we are today. One stud and a bunch of young potential. I don't care who it is or how we get him, we desperately need another WR to take the pressure off of Adams. It would be great if that guy was already on the roster because that would save the draft pick or the FA money but I'm not convinced he is.

I realize the a 1st round draft pick is also nothing but young potential juts like late round picks and that lots of them flop but in general they are 1st round picks, as opposed to day three picks, because they either have more talent, more potential or a better track record in college or they are simply perceived as a better option and I would feel much more comfortable about one of them panning out.

beast
5 years ago

Jerry Rice on Monday said Antonio Brown wants to play for the 49ers, after the two FaceTimed on Sunday.

“Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,” Rice said during an appearance on 95.7 The Game. "He wants to come here really badly."

nbcsports  wrote:



I'm not sure why Brown want to go to the 49ers... but if it's system and QB related, the LaFleur might have a system like one of his mentors in Kyle Shanahan and I think Rodgers could be considered the same level or better as Jimmy Garoppolo.

Just saying...
UserPostedImage
Fan Shout
Mucky Tundra (2h) : @AndyHermanNFL Sean Rhyan getting some reps at center in walkthroughs. They are rotating guys everywhere.
Mucky Tundra (3h) : or that might have been an individual drill thing
Mucky Tundra (3h) : that was from the 29th but I've seen other combs (including Rhyan@C)
Mucky Tundra (3h) : @ByRyanWood Without Elgton Jenkins and Zach Tom, #Packers starting OL: Rasheed Walker, Jordan Morgan, Josh Myers, Sean Rhyan, Andre Dillard.
Martha Careful (8h) : I have never seen an OTA, but who is lining up at LT and RG with starters? or is it all individual drills?
Zero2Cool (14h) : Bears are the first team to be selected for Hard Knocks
dfosterf (29-May) : Andy Herman and his Pack a day podcast put up GB strengths yesterday. This morning he did weaknesses. They are both very good.
Zero2Cool (25-May) : Yes.
beast (24-May) : Does he say what it is?
Zero2Cool (22-May) : Christian Watson believes he has discovered the root cause his soft-tissue leg injuries
Zero2Cool (22-May) : Savage played last half of season with tear in rotator cuff
Zero2Cool (22-May) : SISSIES!!!!
Mucky Tundra (22-May) : Sounds like both Kraft and Tom were injuried before OTAs began
buckeyepackfan (22-May) : Not serious but waiting for strength and conditioning coach referwnces.
buckeyepackfan (22-May) : Tom and Kraft both injured(pectoral muscle),
Zero2Cool (20-May) : I feel similar about person and product/service.
beast (17-May) : Not sure why a players views reflect on GB... instead of simply on the player
Martha Careful (17-May) : I bet some of us have had 6+ mRNA jabs, a UKR flag on our walls, and still think Fauci has a thread of integrity
Zero2Cool (16-May) : From what I've read, it's all Jets , not us.
CanPackFan (16-May) : Will there ever be a time when Rodgers' whacko views will not reflect on GB? He is the past, thank god.
Zero2Cool (16-May) : Jan 4th gonna be rough with that start time lol
Zero2Cool (16-May) : Packers schedule listed. Boom.
buckeyepackfan (15-May) : Let the leaks begin. Colts @ Packers week 2, Vikings @ Packers week 4
Zero2Cool (14-May) : WR Marquez Valdes-Scantling to Bills
Zero2Cool (14-May) : Jets and Aaron Rodgers open up on Monday Night Football,
Zero2Cool (13-May) : $170 guaranteed. This might impact Jordan Love
Zero2Cool (13-May) : Lions are signing QB Jared Goff to a four-year, $212 million extension
Zero2Cool (13-May) : I know we moved on. That tidbit just makes me a touch happier.
Zero2Cool (13-May) : Sources spoke of many, many times last summer where Hackett called a play, then Rodgers changed it completely at the line
Martha Careful (10-May) : 1. this is true of all our linemen. 2. His run block is fine. 3. If all OL played like he has, we would win SB.
beast (10-May) : Meyers pass blocking is really good, his run blocking is really not.
Zero2Cool (9-May) : Packers have claimed DE Spencer Waege off of waivers from the 49ers and waived DT Rodney Mathews.
Zero2Cool (9-May) : And the OL protections seem to be good.
Zero2Cool (9-May) : I really don't know lol. I don't see him getting blown up.
Zero2Cool (9-May) : -3 buwahhhahaaha
Mucky Tundra (9-May) : 4th
Zero2Cool (9-May) : because he's 1st
Mucky Tundra (9-May) : Myers isn't even the 3rd best C on the roster atm
Martha Careful (9-May) : I am not sure I understand the Myers hate. He was consistently our third best lineman. RG and LT were worse.
beast (9-May) : Just saying I don't think moving Myers would help Myers.
beast (9-May) : Center is usually considered the easiest position physically if you can handle the snap stuff.
Mucky Tundra (8-May) : Bust it is then
Zero2Cool (8-May) : Context. Sounds like Myers won't be cross-trained. C or bust.
Mucky Tundra (8-May) : @BookOfEli_NFL Packers pass game coordinator, Jason Vrable said that Jayden Reed and Dontayvion Wicks shared a placed in Florida while train
Mucky Tundra (8-May) : For now...
Zero2Cool (8-May) : Packers go about evaluating their "best five," OL coach Luke Butkus makes on thing clear: "Josh Myers is our center."
beast (8-May) : Though I'm a bit surprised letting go of CBs, I thought we needed more not less
beast (8-May) : It was confusing with two DB Anthony Johnson anyways
Zero2Cool (8-May) : Packers actually had Ray Lewis on the phone.
Zero2Cool (8-May) : Packers wanted to draft Ray Lewis. Ravens stole him.
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2024 Packers Schedule
Friday, Sep 6 @ 7:15 PM
Eagles
Sunday, Sep 15 @ 12:00 PM
COLTS
Sunday, Sep 22 @ 12:00 PM
Titans
Sunday, Sep 29 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Sunday, Oct 6 @ 3:25 PM
Rams
Sunday, Oct 13 @ 12:00 PM
CARDINALS
Sunday, Oct 20 @ 12:00 PM
TEXANS
Sunday, Oct 27 @ 12:00 PM
Jaguars
Sunday, Nov 3 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Sunday, Nov 17 @ 12:00 PM
Bears
Sunday, Nov 24 @ 3:25 PM
49ERS
Thursday, Nov 28 @ 7:20 PM
DOLPHINS
Thursday, Dec 5 @ 7:15 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 15 @ 7:20 PM
Seahawks
Monday, Dec 23 @ 7:15 PM
SAINTS
Sunday, Dec 29 @ 12:00 PM
Vikings
Saturday, Jan 4 @ 11:00 PM
BEARS
Recent Topics
8h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

8h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

29-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

29-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

29-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

29-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

29-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

28-May / Around The NFL / bboystyle

27-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

23-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

21-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / Nonstopdrivel

20-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

20-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

20-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

20-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2024 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.