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Rockmolder
Honored Member

10 years ago

DT is the interior defensive linemen in a 4 - 3 scheme : defensive tackle
NT is the interior defensive lineman in a 3 - 4 scheme : nose tackle

That being true then Mike Daniels would be a NT, not DT right now. Unless when I was corrected on this, that was wrong.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

NT is more of a sub-category of DT, if I'm correct.

I thought he was playing DE in our scheme, regardless, which would translate to DT, most likely UT, in a 4-3 scheme. Maybe DE if you have freakish athletic ability like Jenkins had.

steveishere
Veteran Member

10 years ago

#22

Mike Daniels plays inside in our Nickle formations. I haven't seen him line up as a base end or NT that's why I called him a DT.

steveishere
Veteran Member

10 years ago

#23

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

I'm not the expert or anything but I think all line positions in the 3-4 are considered interior lineman. NT is usually a bigger body type like Pickett and have more gap responsibility. Some 4-3 uses NTs as well (Pat Williams). Some don't (Suh, Fairley)

Rockmolder
Honored Member

10 years ago

#24

Mike Daniels plays inside in our Nickle formations. I haven't seen him line up as a base end or NT that's why I called him a DT.

Originally Posted by: steveishere

Ah, yeah, you're completely right. That formation, in essence, is a 4-3 formation, but with the DEs (OLBs) standing up.

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

10 years ago

#25

Aaron Kampman was a Defensive End. Which DE is in both 4 - 3 and 3 - 4 schemes. However, DT and NT are not. Go figure!!

DE - DT - DT - DE

DE - NT - DE

I said 'interior' followed with defensive lineman to avoid the ambiguity of 'interior linemen' of both defensive and offensive lines. I was specifying the interior OF the defensive line, not the defensive 11.

For what it's worth, Pro Football Focus lumps both DT and NT together with their stats.

Cumulative Defense Tackle & Nose Tackle Summary

nerdmann
Premier Member Topic Starter

10 years ago

#26

He plays DT right now. What are you talking about "he's a pass rusher". Suh, Fairley, Casey, Melton, Atkins, McCoy, Hatcher are all DTs. I'm not quite sure where you are even going with that. Maybe you thought I was saying NT.

Could Neal and Jones possibly be moved to a 4-3 end yeah do they have any experience in their life rushing the edge against OTs? Jones doesn't and Neals only experience has been this year and he hasn't been particularly great at it. Neither has done it with their hand in the dirt.

Originally Posted by: steveishere

http://www.packers.com/team/roster/Mike-Daniels/021f5185-ba06-415a-a6a4-0860a519610f

Packers.com lists Daniels as a DE.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Daniels_%28American_football%29

Mike Daniels (born May 5, 1989) is an American football defensive end for the Green Bay Packers.

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nerdmann
Premier Member Topic Starter

10 years ago

#27

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

Kabeer was a pass rushing DE too.

That's how I view Nick Perry, Mike Neal, probably Clay Matthew (although you could easily line him up at LB too) and Datone Jones.

Perry didn't even want to be drafted by a 3-4 team, he wanted to be a 4-3 DE. Iirc Datone held off on bulking up before the draft, because he wasn't sure what kind of team was going to draft him.

As for Daniels, you could line him up inside, but he's only 300 lbs, not 340 like a real NT or DT. He's not gonna necessarily stuff the run up the middle. He has shown however, that he can get to the QB.

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steveishere
Veteran Member

10 years ago

#28

http://www.packers.com/team/roster/Mike-Daniels/021f5185-ba06-415a-a6a4-0860a519610f

Packers.com lists Daniels as a DE.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Daniels_%28American_football%29

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

Have you ever watched a Packers game? They may have him listed like that but I've never once seen him line up as a base DE. He lines up next to another "DT" inside of 2 edge rushers. That's a DT. If I'm wrong then by all means tell me how many times Daniels has actually played DE in a game this year.

steveishere
Veteran Member

10 years ago

#29

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

You seriously think a 4-3 defense has 2 340lb guys in the middle? Most of those guys are around 300lbs.

play2win
Senior Member

10 years ago

#30

You seriously think a 4-3 defense has 2 340lb guys in the middle? Most of those guys are around 300lbs.

Originally Posted by: steveishere

You must not remember Fritz Shurmur's 4-3 with Gilbert Brown and Santana Dotson. The best 4-3s always have the beef in the middle.

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