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Elgton Jenkins' injury was a big hit for the Green Bay Packers offensive line. The Pro Bowl left guard suffered had an MCL sprain, which will make him miss playing time — he isn't expected to go on the injured reserve, but he has already missed a part of the game against the Atlanta Falcons, the entire game versus the New Orleans Saints, and isn't expected to play on Thursday against the Detroit Lions.

So far, the Packers coaching staff decision has been to replace Jenkins with Royce Newman, who has significant starting experience in the NFL. However, his performance hasn't been good whatsoever. It's time to give second-year player Sean Rhyan a shot.

Performance

During the game in Atlanta, it made sense to put Newman when Jenkins got injured. After all, it could be risky to go with a completely inexperienced player in Rhyan without the proper preparation. But, even though Newman didn't allow any pressure, he was still the fourth-lowest graded (52.3) offensive player against the Atlanta Falcons.

Before the Saints game, head coach Matt LaFleur left the door open for a competition, but ended up going with Newman again for the home opener. Newman's performance at Lambeau Field was concerning (for Jordan Love's health reasons, especially).



Maybe it's time to play Sean Rhyan. pic.twitter.com/qH1L3ig2bM 

— Wendell Ferreira (@wendellfp) September 26, 2023 




The left guard played 55 pass protection snaps, allowing a team-high four pressures, according to PFF. He was the second lowest-graded offensive player according to Andy Herman, ahead only of Jon Runyan. By PFF, he was the third lowest-graded (50.1) offensive player, ahead of Runyan and Josiah Deguara.

A high-floor can't be the reason why he's playing.

Ceiling and future

If the floor isn't the reason, the Packers should think about ceiling. And there's not much doubt that Sean Rhyan offers a much higher one. A third-round pick in last year's draft, Rhyan hasn't played any offensive snaps in the NFL. Nonetheless, he showed signs of improvement comparing training camps and preseasons from his rookie year and 2023. In preseason, he played over Newman for most of the time. Rhyan might not be great, for sure, but there's also a decent chance of him being an upgrade.

You could ask why the Packers wouldn't have done it already if Rhyan had played well in practice. That's a fair argument, to be sure, but LaFleur has a long track record of overvaluing experience on the offensive line: he chose Lane Taylor over Elgton Jenkins, Rick Wagner over Yosh Nijman, and Yosh Nijman over Zach Tom. This is nothing new.

Moreover, everyone knows at this point that Royce Newman is not a preferred starter — and most likely will never be. But Sean Rhyan still can be. If he plays well while Jenkins is out, he could become a quality long-term starter. It would open the option of Rhyan himself moving to right guard over Jon Runyan, or maybe moving Jenkins to center over Josh Myers.

This is pretty much an evaluation year for the Packers. Good things are happening faster than expected for the offense, so why don't they follow the same logic to give Rhyan an opportunity?

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Rhyan may deserve a chance. Fans seem to forget that they don't know the whole story but the coaches do. They've seen Rhyan in practice. They know if he's better than the starters. Just because fans get impatient doesn't mean they have the answers.
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beast
2 months ago

Rhyan may deserve a chance. Fans seem to forget that they don't know the whole story but the coaches do. They've seen Rhyan in practice. They know if he's better than the starters. Just because fans get impatient doesn't mean they have the answers.

Originally Posted by: wpr 


Yeah the coaches do, and the coaches told him to stay seated, Newman is going in the game.

There is no reason to give up on him, but he had his shot in training camp, and supposedly Rhyan was unstoppable in pass blocking drills, got a ton of hype and got in preseason games and struggled more than Newman (based on coaches actions).

Also I'd argue that Hanson out played them both, but got injured and Packers released him injured (I'm expecting them to try to resign Hanson to the PS when his injury contract release runs out). Of course, I don't know how serious his injury was.



The article argument for Rhyan seems to be, he was a 3rd round pick, hasn't played in the regular season yet, he's not Newman and LaFleur chose Lane Taylor over Elgton Jenkins, Rick Wagner over Yosh Nijman, and Yosh Nijman over Zach Tom.

Which that's a horrible argument... Rhyan was a 3rd round pick, Newman a 4th round pick, and Scott Wells was a 7th round pick and so far has out played them both, so draft pick doesn't matter. And neither does the fact that he's not Newman.

He hasn't played in the regular season, how is the that a positive argument? That's just saying the grass must be greener on the other side, which might not be true.

As far as LaFleur choosing veterans over youngsters...

1) Lane Taylor was going into 7th year with the Packers, including 4th year as a starter, while Jenkins was a rookie. And looking at PFF preseason numbers, Taylor was one of the best in preseason and rookie Jenkins was was absolutely horrible in run blocking. Also Taylor got to focus solely at LG, while Jenkins worked all 3 interior positions and actually focused on LG the least of the 3 in preseason.,

2) Actually Nijman started before Wagner, so originally this is not correct, and Nijman moved to LT. It's when RT Billy Turner returned from injury that they moved Billy Turner over to LT and benched Nijman. But if you notice Nijman's career, he has a pattern, after getting a chance, he's consistently the first one to get benched. Even the OL coach with the expected Tom vs Nijman battle for starting RT... OL coach said sometimes people rise to the challenge, and other times people don't. And Nijman ended up behind Walker whom wasn't supposed to even be in the competition.

3) Yes, in 2022 OT Nijman got the call over OL Tom, but that's because they needed an OT. Where Gute said the Packers thought rookie Tom best spot would be Center, and they were working him in the interior a lot. While veteran Nijman got to focus on OT spots,.rookie Tom was asked to work at all 5 positions.


So yes, LaFleaur prefers a veteran that got to focus on one position, over rookies that were asked to focus on 3 to 5 positions.

But Rhyan nor Newman are rookies, and both focused only on the two OG positions in preseason games. So none of this applies.

I mean, if Rhyan is looking better in practices then maybe give a change a chance. But don't change just for change sake.


Also, if you're thinking of potentially making a change. After the next two games would be good times to make changes. Short week Thursday game, followed by a MNF game gives a lot of extra time. Then after the MNF is a bye week. Of course, considering they didn't IR Jenkins, maybe he'll be back by then.



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beast
2 months ago
Hell, at this point, it might be worth giving anyone and everyone a shot.

Throw Rhyan, Nijman, Caleb Jones and whomever else you got, in at OG during practice and take the best one.
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Mucky Tundra
2 months ago
I thought Newman was one of the last two or three in for a roster spot and games like the one tonight is why. Was wondering if Rhyan would get in at some point but I think Newman went the whole game. If they don't seriously consider making a switch over the next week and a half than we have a problem. I'm not sure how well Rhyan will fare but he can probably move guys better in the run game than Newman and can't get much worse in pass pro.
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2 months ago

I thought Newman was one of the last two or three in for a roster spot and games like the one tonight is why. Was wondering if Rhyan would get in at some point but I think Newman went the whole game. If they don't seriously consider making a switch over the next week and a half than we have a problem. I'm not sure how well Rhyan will fare but he can probably move guys better in the run game than Newman and can't get much worse in pass pro.

Originally Posted by: Mucky Tundra 


Not sure but I think they might feel that Newman and Myers might have a higher ceiling than some of these dudes, so they might get to keep shitting themselves in hopes that a light suddenly goes on.

Glad we got the extra OL depth we do, and that's squarely because of Gutey.
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beast
2 months ago

Glad we got the extra OL depth we do, and that's squarely because of Gutey.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 


If we got depth then why they hell aren't we using it?
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