nerdmann
6 years ago
1: QB who holds grudges and is kind of a bitter psycho who can't let go.

2: HC with no comprehension of sports psychology whatsoever.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
blueleopard
6 years ago
I mean as much as we as Packers fans lack remorse for the whole ordeal, the guy is right.
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Rockmolder
6 years ago

Z2C, totally agree. No critical analysis in the article regarding:[list]

  • Allowing the scheme to become stale[/list]

    Originally Posted by: KRK 


  • You could've stopped here. When you see a Sean Payton-led offense, you see an exciting offense that's constantly evolving. Our offense hadn't evolved from 2009 onward.

    Next to that, the article makes no sense.

    I agree that OUR expectations are very high, but the thinking that they aren't in New Orleans is just such complete BS. No one in the Saints fanbase thinks it's "quaint" to go out at this stage in the post-season twice. Especially not the way it happened this year. Go to any single Saints forum and you see that they're just as much wanting to win another one with Brees as we want to win another with Rodgers.

    Pettine's defense wasn't very good, but we could all see that his coaching and schemes weren't at fault. That has nothing to do with expectations, but everything with a good coach not getting the talent he needs. The same can be said for the Saints down years under Payton.

    Also, their problems have consistently been on the defensive side off the ball and heads have rolled there. He's on his fifth DC since 2006.
    beast
    6 years ago
    Another important factor of a lot of the successful offenses as of late (and Payton was always really into this), is the usage of the RB as a receiver, getting the RB one on one match-ups to take advantage of whomever is covering him, to either out move a bigger LB or out power a DB.

    In 2018, 108 passes were completed to Saints RB/FBs ... that means over 20% of the attempted passes... and over 28% of the completed passes went to the RBs... as Payton has worked systems to get match-ups.

    I think we would all agree that RB Aaron Jones was a match-up nightmare for teams, while he might not be able to run guys over he did a pretty good job of avoiding people.

    In comparison, for the Packers only a bit over 11% of attempted passes and 18% of completed passes want to the RBs.

    And the Saints pieces aren't the much different than the Packers, though the RBs might be better, but the Packers actually look like they had more depth at WR and TE.


    I still think, whom ever decision to release Nelson over Cobb was a poor decision (though they were trying to sign Allen Robinson, so they might of been willing to release both)... but another poor decision was keeping the offense complex and not simplifying it for the rookies, which I expect was a problem with Rodgers and the rookies struggling to get on the same page. But to ask rookies to pre-read defenses (before the snap), and then read the defense (mid-route) and be on the same page as a QB that has over a decade in the system is a bit hard. And I think MVS talked about all being new to the new system, might actually help them all to be on the same page.

    "it’s just going to be like learning a new system all over again, if it is that way, and we’ll all be on an equal playing field now. You won’t have vets who’ve been in the system for four, five or 10, 11 years. We’ll all be at the same level learning at the same time."

    "I was able to produce with a steep learning curve, probably steeper last time, because guys had been in the system for many years, and I’m coming in having to learn like eight years of a system in three months,", "So now, if we do have to learn a completely different system, it won’t just be for the rookies this time."

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    Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : sounds like Packers don't get good compensation, Jaire staying
    dfosterf (16-Apr) : Nobody coming up with a keep, but at x amount
    dfosterf (16-Apr) : Trade, cut or keep
    dfosterf (16-Apr) : that from Jaire
    dfosterf (16-Apr) : My guess is the Packers floated the concept of a reworked contract via his agent and agent got a f'
    Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : Yes, and that is why I think Rob worded it how he did. Rather than say "agent"
    dfosterf (16-Apr) : Same laws apply. Agent must present such an offer to Jaire. Cannot accept or reject without presenting it
    Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : I'm thinking that is why Rob worded it how he did.
    dfosterf (16-Apr) : The Packers can certainly still make the offer to the agent
    dfosterf (16-Apr) : Laws of agency and definition of fiduciary responsibility
    dfosterf (16-Apr) : Jaire is open to a reduced contract without Jaire's permission
    dfosterf (16-Apr) : The agent would arguably violate the law if he were to tell the Packers
    Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : That someone ... likely the agent.
    Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : So, Jaire has not been offered nor rejected a pay reduction, but someone says he'd decline.
    Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : Demovksy says t was direct communication with someone familiar with Jaire’s line of thinking at that moment.
    Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : Demovsky just replied to me a bit ago. Jaire hasn't said it.
    dfosterf (16-Apr) : Of course, that depends on the definition of "we"
    dfosterf (16-Apr) : We have been told that they haven't because he wouldn't accept it. I submit we don't know that
    dfosterf (16-Apr) : What is the downside in making a calculated reduced offer to Jaire?
    Zero2Cool (15-Apr) : Packers are receiving interest in Jaire Alexander but a trade is not imminent
    Zero2Cool (15-Apr) : Jalen Ramsey wants to be traded. He's never happy is he?
    Zero2Cool (15-Apr) : two 1sts in 2022 and two 2nd's in 2023 and 2024
    Zero2Cool (15-Apr) : Packers had fortunate last three drafts.
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    Zero2Cool (14-Apr) : I think a dozen is what I need
    dfosterf (14-Apr) : Go fund me for this purpose just might work. A dozen nurses show up at 1265 to provide mental health assistance.
    dfosterf (14-Apr) : Maybe send a crew of Angels to the Packers draft room on draft day.
    Zero2Cool (14-Apr) : I am the Angel that gets visited.
    dfosterf (14-Apr) : Visiting Angels has a pretty good reputation
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    Martha Careful (14-Apr) : WINNING IT, not someone else losing it. The best victory though was re-uniting with his wife
    Martha Careful (14-Apr) : The manner in which he won it was just amazing and wonderful. First blowing the lead then getting back, then blowing it. But ultimately
    Zero2Cool (12-Apr) : I'm guessing since the thumb was broken, he wasn't feeling it.
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    Mucky Tundra (10-Apr) : If they knew about it or not
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    Zero2Cool (10-Apr) : Guessing they probably knew. Did he have cast or something on?
    Mucky Tundra (10-Apr) : Did they know that at the time or was that something the realized afterwards?
    Zero2Cool (9-Apr) : Van Ness played most of season with broken thumb
    wpr (9-Apr) : yay
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    Zero2Cool (2-Apr) : WR who said he'd break Xavier Worthy 40 time...and ran slower than you
    Mucky Tundra (2-Apr) : Who?
    Zero2Cool (2-Apr) : Texas’ WR Isaiah Bond is scheduled to visit the Bills, Browns, Chiefs, Falcons, Packers and Titans starting next week.
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