Zero2Cool
13 years ago

he was guilty and weaseled out of it. [boxing]

Originally Posted by: wpr 



I appreciate your misguided (Cardinals fan) perception and it's been ignored from this moment forward. 😉
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13 years ago

I appreciate your misguided (Cardinals fan) perception and it's been ignored from this moment forward. ;-)

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



I am only doing this to needle YOU. :-"

Truly the whole matter is very strange. All time highest substance is strange. Keeping the sample over the weekend is strange. (I contend they should have have taken the sample if they could not ship it immediately.) I think I read there were other offices still open but maybe I am remembering incorrectly. If there were then why not ship from one of them? I know Braun is a class guy on and off the field.
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13 years ago
It was reported there was one within 6 blocks of the home the sample was stored. But apparently it was common for the samples to be held at someones home over night or something. I don't know. It all seems really odd to me. The real issue I have is Ryan Braun and those close to him keep saying "if you knew the whole story you'd believe his innocence" ... well, why not tell the whole story then?
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13 years ago
yep.
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12 years ago
the gun is still smoking 


Milwaukee Brewers star Ryan Braun's name is in records of the Miami-area clinic alleged to have distributed performance-enhancing drugs to a rash of baseball players, and Major League Baseball will investigate the link to the former MVP who tested positive for illegal synthetic testosterone during the 2011 postseason.

Three of the Biogenesis clinic records obtained by Yahoo! Sports show Braun's name. Unlike the players named by the Miami New Times in its report that blew open the Biogenesis case, Braun's name is not listed next to any specific PEDs.

MLB is investigating the Biogenesis clinic and its operator, Anthony Bosch, to determine the breadth of Bosch's alleged PED dispersal throughout the sport. The league could pursue punishment through non-analytical positives – evidentiary links to players without positive tests – and one source said it will not limit the potential discipline to those whose names are surfacing for the first time, meaning those who have faced suspensions in the past could again be tried.

Braun is on a list that includes Alex Rodriguez, Melky Cabrera and Cesar Carrillo, who the New Times reported received PEDs from Bosch. Also on the list are New York Yankees catcher Francisco Cervelli and Baltimore Orioles third baseman Danny Valencia, who weren't listed near PEDs either. The record matches a document the New Times posted with Braun's name redacted and Cervelli and Valencia's cut off.

Representatives for Braun, Cervelli and Valencia did not return multiple phone messages left by Yahoo! Sports.


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Zero2Cool
12 years ago
When I seen a post in Ryan Braun thread, I knew it had to be some whiny Cardinals fan!!!!!
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When I seen a post in Ryan Braun thread, I knew it had to be some whiny Cardinals fan!!!!!

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



the person who posts it doesn't make it any less of a story.
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12 years ago

the person who posts it doesn't make it any less of a story.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



Oh but when they neglect to post the full story, it sure does!

RYAN BRAUN STATEMENT

"During the course of preparing for my successful appeal last year, my attorneys, who were previously familiar with Tony Bosch, used him as a consultant. More specifically, he answered questions about T/E ratio and possibilities of tampering with samples.

"There was a dispute over compensation for Bosch's work, which is why my lawyer and I are listed under "moneys owed" and not on any other list.

"I have nothing to hide and have never had any other relationship with Bosch.

"I will fully cooperate with any inquiry into this matter."





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Oh but when they neglect to post the full story, it sure does!




Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Braun statement came out later. I did not see it until very late last night. I had to get to bed. I knew you would need to post it so I let it go.

Keep in mind just because his name is on the list doesn't mean he is guilty AND just because the person who is a suspect claims they are innocent, that doesn't make it so either. Almost everyone who has juiced claims they are innocent until the evidence shows otherwise. Armstrong is the new poster child for that defense.

It is what I said it is- a smoking gun. It makes for reasonable doubt.
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Pack93z
12 years ago
We really have no idea what is the truth vs speculation.. but even as a Brewer fan, one has to be somewhat open to the possibility that Braun is guilty. At the same time, it is plausible that Braun's explanation is reality.

Regardless if he is guilty or not.. the below reason for withholding names without something more substantial than a name being in the billing records is the proper approach.


Yahoo!'s story raises an obvious question. If Braun's and Cervelli's names appear in the Bosch records at the heart of New Times' investigation -- and indeed, Yahoo!'s report does appear to match New Times'records -- why didn't we report them in our first story?

Simple: an abundance of caution.

As Yahoo! notes, the records do not clearly associate either Braun, Cervelli, or a third player who this morning denied all ties with Bosch (Orioles third baseman Danny Valencia) with use of supplements. Yahoo! apparently obtained copies of just these page of Bosch's notebooks independently of New Times.



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