Porforis
6 years ago

Whatever happened to the Aaron Rodgers who used to complete passes to eight, nine, even ten different receivers a game?

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 



The issue's not as severe as you seem to be making it out as. It's easy to lose sight of what normal is. Let's look at last year in games Rodgers played the entire game, and compare this to opposing teams.

Week one: Passes completed to 6 players, with number of targets being 12, 8, 7, 6, 4, 4. Opposing team completed passes to 6 players.
Week two: Passes completed to 9 players, with number of targets being 11, 10, 9, 7, 5, 4, 1, 1, 1. Opposing team completed passes to 7 players
Week three: Passes completed to 6 players, with number of targets being 12, 9, 8, 6, 4, 3. Opposing team completed passes to 6 players
Week four: Passes completed to 7 players, with number of targets being 7, 7, 5, 4, 2, 1, 1. Opposing team completed passes to 7 players.
Week five: Passes completed to 7 players, with number of targets being 7, 7, 5, 4, 2, 1, 1. Opposing team completed passes to 7 players.
Week six: Passes completed to 7 players, with number of targets being 11, 5, 4, 3, 1, 1, 1. Opposing team completed passes to 7 players.
Week fifteen: Passes completed to 7 players, with number of targets being 14, 8, 7, 6, 4, 2, 2. Opposing team completed passes to 5 players.

So last year, Rodgers averaged passes completed to 7 receivers per game, with opposing teams averaging passes completed to 6.4 receivers per game.

2016:
Week 1: Passes completed to 8 players. Opposing team completed passes to 7 players.
Week 2: Passes completed to 6 players. Opposing team completed passes to 7 players.
Week 3: Passes completed to 8 players. Opposing team completed passes to 7 players.
Week 5: Passes completed to 6 players. Opposing team completed passes to 6 players.
Week 6: Passes completed to 9 players. Opposing team completed passes to 6 players.
Week 7: Passes completed to 7 players. Opposing team completed passes to 6 players.
Week 8: Passes completed to 6 players. Opposing team completed passes to 8 players.
Week 9: Passes completed to 8 players. Opposing team completed passes to 9 players.
Week 10: Passes completed to 7 players. Opposing team completed passes to 6 players.
Week 11: Passes completed to 7 players. Opposing team completed passes to 7 players.
Week 12: Passes completed to 8 players. Opposing team completed passes to 8 players.
Week 13: Passes completed to 6 players. Opposing team completed passes to 9 players.
Week 14: Passes completed to 6 players. Opposing team completed passes to 6 players.
Week 15: Passes completed to 8 players. Opposing team completed passes to 8 players.
Week 16: Passes completed to 8 players. Opposing team completed passes to 6 players.

So in 2016, Rodgers averaged passed completed to 7.2 receivers per game, with opposing teams averaging passes completed to 7.1 receivers per game

Tried finding some statistics for the league but couldn't find anything using any of the search terms I could think up of. Point being - the stats just don't back up the assertion that Rodgers locks in on one or two guys and ignores everyone else. Or at least, not any more than any other player does. In fact, he consistently spreads the ball around MORE than our opponents do, and there's not a ton of variation between number of targets for his #1 target, and number of targets for his #3 or even #4 most targeted receiver in any given game.
sschind
6 years ago

I am not that confident the Packers win if they make those kicks. I'm more confident that the Lions were playing bend don't break and that's why we were even able to get into FG range. The Packers were down 24 at half time and it felt double that the entire game.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 




That's a very good point. Even on offense if the Packers make the first two kicks do the Lions try something else on offense. What about the third and fourth. They didn't score much in the second half. How much was the Packers D stiffening up and how much was the Lions O going conservative. Make a couple of those FGs and maybe Detroit plays differently.

What very well may have won them the game is turning at least a few of those FG attempts into TDs. That's what is bothering me the most about this offense so far. The funny thing is that Crosby has made 16 attempts so far but none have been from closer than 30 yards. The Packers are moving the ball to the tune of 400 yards per game but it just isn't translating into TDs Same with the vikings game. Put 1 or 2 of those drives into the endzone and its a win instead of a tie. They need to put the ball into the endzone and stop relying on Mason Crosby to make those FGs.
dyeah_gb
6 years ago

That's a very good point. Even on offense if the Packers make the first two kicks do the Lions try something else on offense. What about the third and fourth. They didn't score much in the second half. How much was the Packers D stiffening up and how much was the Lions O going conservative. Make a couple of those FGs and maybe Detroit plays differently.

What very well may have won them the game is turning at least a few of those FG attempts into TDs. That's what is bothering me the most about this offense so far. The funny thing is that Crosby has made 16 attempts so far but none have been from closer than 30 yards. The Packers are moving the ball to the tune of 400 yards per game but it just isn't translating into TDs Same with the vikings game. Put 1 or 2 of those drives into the endzone and its a win instead of a tie. They need to put the ball into the endzone and stop relying on Mason Crosby to make those FGs.

Originally Posted by: sschind 



Just to play devil's advocate, if the Lions were forced to be more aggressive on offense, Stafford could have thrown 2 INTs. I don't have a high opinion of him. Especially since the loss of a Megatron, Stafford is probably best playing with a lead handed to him by the refs and running a basic offense.
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Zero2Cool
6 years ago

Just to play devil's advocate, if the Lions were forced to be more aggressive on offense, Stafford could have thrown 2 INTs. I don't have a high opinion of him. Especially since the loss of a Megatron, Stafford is probably best playing with a lead handed to him by the refs and running a basic offense.

Originally Posted by: dyeah_gb 



Just to play Angel's Advocate, Matthew Stafford is pretty good QB and those WR abuse the Packers all the time. Jones, Tate and now Golloday. It would have been worse had me made those FG's.
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dyeah_gb
6 years ago

Just to play Angel's Advocate, Matthew Stafford is pretty good QB and those WR abuse the Packers all the time. Jones, Tate and now Golloday. It would have been worse had me made those FG's.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Jets vs. Lions 
The first principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool - R. Feynman
Bigbyfan
6 years ago
The outcome of the game would have been worse if the Packers made their kicks.... can't say I've heard that logic before lol
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Zero2Cool
6 years ago

The outcome of the game would have been worse if the Packers made their kicks.... can't say I've heard that logic before lol

Originally Posted by: Bigbyfan 



Understandable, however, the Packers couldn't stop the Lions offense. When has the Packers defense got a needed stop? It doesn't happen much. They have good 2nd half success because the Packers are playing from behind and teams play more conservative.

I would have much rather had those FG's been made and proven wrong, absolutely. Watching the game, seeing the WR abuse the Packers secondary, and no pass rush, I just don't see how Lions don't stay ahead of the Packers. Especially with the stupid ass bullshit officiating. That fucking ball didn't hit King!!
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Nonstopdrivel
6 years ago
Tramon Williams has come out and said that the officials told them on the field that the ball had touched the Lions first but that they were awarding the ball to the Lions anyway. Maybe there's something to nerdmann's conspiracy theories after all!
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yooperfan
6 years ago

Tramon Williams has come out and said that the officials told them on the field that the ball had touched the Lions first but that they were awarding the ball to the Lions anyway. Maybe there's something to nerdmann's conspiracy theories after all!

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 


As bad as NFL officiating has become, that's just hard to believe even for me who has walked away from the NFL in part because of bullshit like that.

sschind
6 years ago

Just to play devil's advocate, if the Lions were forced to be more aggressive on offense, Stafford could have thrown 2 INTs. I don't have a high opinion of him. Especially since the loss of a Megatron, Stafford is probably best playing with a lead handed to him by the refs and running a basic offense.

Originally Posted by: dyeah_gb 



That is entirely possible and it just helps prove the point that if the Packers had made all their field goals and extra points that the end result would not have automatically been a 33-31 Packer victory. They may have won and they may have lost by even more. There is no way to know and it is very shortsighted to simply say if they would have made the kicks they would have won.
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