Cheesey
7 years ago

Then what is the point of having a glass house?

Originally Posted by: gbguy20 



Having a house that people can make up neat sayings about!🤣
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isocleas2
7 years ago
Hoping for one of these scenarios:

1.) Chubb falls out of the top 5 and packers trade up for him
2.) Edmunds or Ward fall to 14
3.) One of the top qbs falls to 14 and we trade back for a kings ransom.
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Nonstopdrivel
7 years ago

One of the top qbs falls to 14 and we trade back for a kings ransom.

Originally Posted by: isocleas2 


But if one of the top quarterbacks falls to Green Bay and they don't take him, isn't he liable to just keep falling? General managers have a tendency to get skittish if picks who were projected to go high get passed over, and sometimes that leads to a freefall. I'm not sure another team would be willing to pay a king's ransom to trade up to No. 14 for a quarterback who should have been taken in the top five.

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isocleas2
7 years ago

But if one of the top quarterbacks falls to Green Bay and they don't take him, isn't he liable to just keep falling? General managers have a tendency to get skittish if picks who were projected to go high get passed over, and sometimes that leads to a freefall. I'm not sure another team would be willing to pay a king's ransom to trade up to No. 14 for a quarterback who should have been taken in the top five.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 



Arizona picks right after us (#15) and they're desperate for a qb, if one falls they likely won't get passed the cardinals.
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sschind
7 years ago

There will be a number of top prospects available. If Gute trades up, I will look at it as if he's just trying to impress Murphy.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



I know what you meant and I agree. I was just busting your chops.

I think a trade up from 14 would be too costly in that it would likely cost our 2nd round pick and the only player I would not mind seeing it done for would be Ward. Other than that I think moving up later in the draft, even back into the first would be great. I just don't want to come out of Thursday & Friday night with only 2 picks and I'd love to see 4 (I'd be OK with 2 if we could land Ward) I'll also be a bit disappointed if we end up drafting 12 players. I'd like to see Gute trade 4 or 5 late rounders to move up in rounds 2 and 3 if the right guys are there. I know they may not be worth much trade value wise but those comp picks and the #1 picks in the 4th and 5th should be enough to jump up a few spots to land certain guys.
sschind
7 years ago

Arizona picks right after us (#15) and they're desperate for a qb, if one falls they likely won't get passed the cardinals.

Originally Posted by: isocleas2 



Right, so anyone after the Cardinals looking for a QB may be willing to trade up to get ahead of them.

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nerdmann
7 years ago

I know what you meant and I agree. I was just busting your chops.

I think a trade up from 14 would be too costly in that it would likely cost our 2nd round pick and the only player I would not mind seeing it done for would be Ward. Other than that I think moving up later in the draft, even back into the first would be great. I just don't want to come out of Thursday & Friday night with only 2 picks and I'd love to see 4 (I'd be OK with 2 if we could land Ward) I'll also be a bit disappointed if we end up drafting 12 players. I'd like to see Gute trade 4 or 5 late rounders to move up in rounds 2 and 3 if the right guys are there. I know they may not be worth much trade value wise but those comp picks and the #1 picks in the 4th and 5th should be enough to jump up a few spots to land certain guys.

Originally Posted by: sschind 



I hope there's no pressure on Gute to show he's the "Anti-Ted." Just let him sit there and take what falls, or even trade back. We are in a good position here.

If Rosen falls, TAKE HIM.
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nerdmann
7 years ago
I'm still gonna juggle these guys around a little. Then I'll also make a list of who I like in the first.

I didn't do special teams, because for the most part we're set there, but Gute needs to solidify the LONGSNAPPER position, once and for all. We need the new Rob Davis/Brett Goode replacement who is gonna go in there and be flawless for the next decade. This position was a dumpster fire last year. Get it fixed.

Overall, I don't think this team needs to reach for anything. BEST. PLAYER. AVAILABLE. We can take whatever falls to us. In fact, I'd like to trade back if possible. We can still get a top player, imo.

There's some good depth in this draft at CB, WR and RB.

OLB: Harold Landry, Marcus Davenport, Tremaine Edmunds, / Roquan Smith, Sam Hubbard, Arden Key, Dorance Armstrong Jr., Lorenzo Carter, //Darius Leonard, Jeff Holland, Josh Sweat, Jerome Baker, ///Chad Thomas, Uchenna Nwosu, Marcell Frazier, Marquis Haynes, Ade Aruna, Josey Jewell, James Hearns, Ja’Von Rolland-Jones, Mike McCray, Shaquem Griffin,Anthony Winbush,Airius Moore, Darius Jackson, Garret Dooley, Hercules Mata’afa, ////Skai Moore, Ogbonnia Okoronkwo, Davin Bellamy, Trevon Young, Mike Love, Kemoko Turay, Tegray Scales, Jason Cabinda,Tre’ Williams, Jack Cichy, Peter Kalambayi, Sione Teuhema, /////Olasunkanmi Adeniyi, Anthony Winbush, Justin Lawler, Kylie Fitts, Fred Warner, Chris Worley,Jacob Pugh, Reggie Carter, Jarrett Johnson, //////Jacob Pugh, Andrew Trumbetti, Walter Brady,

CB: Joshua Jackson, Denzel Ward, Isaiah Oliver, / Jaire Alexander, Mike Hughes, Carlton Davis, J.C. Jackson, Nick Nelson, //Donte Jackson, Anthony Averett, Kevin Toliver II, Christian Campbell, Dane Cruikshank, Tony Brown, Holton Hill, Parry Nickerson, Greg Stroman, ///Duke Dawson, M.J. Stewart, Kameron Kelly, Tarvarus McFadden, Rashaan Gaulden, D’Montre Wade, Isaac Yiadom, Kamrin Moore, Quenton Meeks, ////Michael Joseph, Taron Johnson, Andre Chachere, Jamar Summers, Dee Delaney,Trey Johnson,Davontae Harris, Jaylen Dunlap, /////Henre’ Toliver, Brandon Facyson, Deatrick Nichols, Devron Davis,

WR: Calvin Ridley, Courtland Sutton, /D.J. Moore, D.J. Chark, Equanimeous St. Brown, //Christian Kirk, Auden Tate, Michael Gallup, DaeSean Hamilton, Dante Pettis, Daurice Fountain, Jaleel Scott,Darren Carrington, Tre’Quan Smith, ///Anthony Miller, Simmie Cobbs Jr., James Washington, Marcel Ateman, Javon Wims, Deon Cain, Deontay Burnett, Allen Lazard, Justin Watson,Cedric Wilson, Jordan Lasley, Steve Ishmael, Marquez Valdes-Scantling, //// Keke Coutee, Trey Quinn, J’Mon Moore, Antonio Callaway, Byron Pringle, Korey Robertson, Jester Weah, /////Jake Wieneke, Richie James, Cam Phillips, Dylan Cantrell, Ka’Raun White, Austin Proehl, Davon Grayson, Chris Lacey, Robert Foster,

TE: Hayden Hurst, /Mark Andrews, Mike Gesicki, Dallas Goedert, //Dalton Schultz, Troy Fumagalli, ///Jordan Aikens, Durham Smythe, Chris Herndon, Ian Thomas, ////Will Dissly, Adam Breneman,Austin Roberts, DeAndre Goolsby, /////Marcus Baugh, Ryan Izzo,Brandon Lingen, Ethan Wolf, Ryan Yurachek, Jeb Blazevich, David Wells,

OT: Mike McGlinchey, Isaiah Wynn, OT/C/G, / Kolton Miller, Orlando Brown, Brian O’Neill, //Martinas Rankin, Geron Christian,Connor Williams, Austin Corbett, OT/C, Jamarco Jones, Brandon Parker, Tyrell Crosby, Desmond Harrison, ///Chukwuma Okorafor, Greg Senat, Brett Toth, Alex Cappa, Jamil Demby, ////Toby Weathersby, Nick Gates, K.J. Malone, Ike Boettger, Bentley Spain, Will Richardson, Rod Taylor, OT/G, Jerron Searles, /////Timon Parris, Joel Noteboom, Cole Madison, Rick Leonard,David Bright, OT/G //////K.C. McDermott, Casey Tucker, Jaryd Jones-Smith, Brendan Mahon, OT/G

C: / Billy Price, C/G,James Daniels, // Frank Ragnow, C/G, ///Scott Quessenberry, C/G, Sean Welsh, C/G, Tony Adams, Mason Cole,Will Clapp, C/G, ////Mark Korte, Austin Golson, Coleman Shelton, /////Bradley Bozeman, Brian Allen,

ILB: Roquan Smith, ILB/OLB, /Leighton Vander Esch, Rashaan Evans, Darius Leonard, ILB/OLB, //Malik Jefferson, Oren Burks, Josey Jewell, ILB/OLB, Micah Kiser,/// Garret Dooley, ILB/OLB, Tegray Scales, ILB/OLB, Tre’ Williams, ILB/OLB, Shaun Dion Hamilton, Nick DeLuca, Airius Moore, ILB/OLB, Dorian O’Daniel, Jack Cichy, ILB/OLB, Christian Sam, Leon Jacobs, ////Frank Ginda, Matthew Thomas, Azeem Victor, Genard Avery, Chad Whitener, Joel Lanning, Joel Iyiegbuniwe, ///// Keishawn Bierria, Peter Kalambayi, ILB/OLB, Nyles Morgan, Myles Pierce, Christian Covington,////// Kenny Young, Reggie Carter, ILB/OLB,

S: Minkah Fitzpatrick, Derwin James, /Justin Reid, Ronnie Harrison, Terrell Edmunds, //Jessie Bates, DeShon Elliott, Kyzir White, Armani Watts, Natrell Jamerson, ///Jordan Whitehead, Siran Neal,Dominick Sanders,Trayvon Henderson, Tray Matthews, Jeremy Reaves, Tre Flowers, ////Marcus Allen, Damon Webb, Quin Blanding, Jamar Summers, S/CB, Jordan Martin, Marcell Harris, Troy Apke, /////Van Smith, Godwin Igwebuike, Sean Chandler, Steven Parker, Jaleel Wadood, Drue Tranquill, Tyree Robinson, Jarrod Franklin, Joshua Kalu, Cole Reyes, Evan Berry, ////// Stephen Roberts, Nick Washington, Trey Marshall, Max Redfield, Ed Paris,

G: Quenton Nelson, /Will Hernandez, //Braden Smith, //// Skyler Phillips, Wyatt Teller, Leka Uhatafe, ///// Sam Jones, Taylor Hearn, Tyrone Crowder, Larry Allen Jr., Viane Talamaivao, Brandon Fanaika, Cody O’Connell,

DE: Bradley Chubb, / Da’Shawn Hand, Breeland Speaks, Harrison Phillips, //Duke Ejiofor, Rasheem Green, R.J. McIntosh, Andrew Brown, B.J. Hill, /// Jalyn Holmes, Tyquan Lewis, JoJo Wicker, ////Aikeem Coleman, Kahlil McKenzie Jr.,Greg Gilmore,Christian LaCouture, Bilal Nichols, ///// Bunmi Rotimi, John Franklin, Eddy Wilson, Parker Cothren, Matt Dickerson, Drew Bailey,

DT/NT: Vita Vea, Da’Ron Payne, /Taven Bryan, Tim Settle, // Trenton Thompson, Folorunso Fatukasi, /// Maurice Hurst, Derrick Nnadi, Justin Jones, Nathan Shepherd, ////Kendrick Norton, Du’Vonta Lampkin, Deadrin Senat, Bruce Hector, /////James Looney, Lowell Lotulelei, ////// Taylor Stallworth, Zaycoven Henderson, Joshua Frazier, John Atkins, Matt Elam,

RB: Saquon Barkley, /Sony Michel, Derrius Guice, Ronald Jones II, Nick Chubb, Kerryon Johnson, Rashaad Penny, Kalen Ballage, Jaylen Samuels, // Royce Freeman, /// Nyheim Hines, Mark Walton, Josh Adams, Kyle Hicks, Justin Jackson, Ralph Webb, Ito Smith, ////John Kelly, Roc Thomas, Bo Scarborough, D’Ernest Johnson, ///// Jeffery Wilson, Nick Wilson, Lavon Coleman, Darrel Williams, Akrum Wadley, Chase Edmonds, Martez Carter, Justin Crawford, Jarvion Franklin,Chris Warren, //////Kamryn Pettway,

FB: ////Dimitri Flowers, Ryan Nall, ///// J.D. Moore, Nick Bawden, ////// Khalid Hill,

QB: Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, Josh Rosen, Lamar Jackson, Baker Mayfield, / // Luke Falk, ///Mason Rudolph,Kyle Lauletta, Chase Litton, //// Alex McGough, Nic Shimonek, Tanner Lee, Kurt Benkert, /////Mike White, Logan Woodside, Riley Ferguson,

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nerdmann
7 years ago
statwhore  

Ok, these are the guys I really like in the first. Since we pick at 14 (as it currently stands,) and there are 20 names on this list, we should have several options. In that case, Gute should look to trade back, still get one of these top level players: Saquon Barkley, Harold Landry, Bradley Chubb, Marcus Davenport, Tremaine Edmunds, Joshua Jackson, Denzel Ward, Israiah Oliver, Minkah Fitzpatrick, Derwin James, Calvin Ridley, Hayden Hurst, Leighton Vander Esch, Vita Vea, Da’ Ron Payne, Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, Josh Rosen, Mike McGlinchey, Quenton Nelson. That’s the order in which I would take them, my first round board.

That’s 20 guys. We should be able to drop back a few picks and still get someone on this list. As for Davenport, that’s a Mike Pettine call. You’re drafting guys for his defense. If Davenport has the skill set he’s looking for, go for it, if not, go elsewhere. Denzel Ward, too. He’s not as tall as these press corners that Pettine likes. Dude can ball though.



Here you go. Let me know if I fucked up anywhere, thanks!



OLB: Harold Landry, Marcus Davenport, Tremaine Edmunds, / Roquan Smith, Sam Hubbard, Arden Key, Dorance Armstrong Jr., Lorenzo Carter, //Darius Leonard, Jeff Holland, Josh Sweat, Jerome Baker, ///Chad Thomas, Uchenna Nwosu, Marcell Frazier, Marquis Haynes, Ade Aruna, Josey Jewell, James Hearns, Ja’Von Rolland-Jones, Mike McCray, Shaquem Griffin,Anthony Winbush,Airius Moore, Darius Jackson, Garret Dooley, Hercules Mata’afa, ////Skai Moore, Ogbonnia Okoronkwo, Davin Bellamy, Trevon Young, Mike Love, Kemoko Turay, Tegray Scales, Jason Cabinda,Tre’ Williams, Jack Cichy, Peter Kalambayi, Sione Teuhema, /////Olasunkanmi Adeniyi, Anthony Winbush, Justin Lawler, Kylie Fitts, Fred Warner, Chris Worley,Jacob Pugh, Reggie Carter, Jarrett Johnson, //////Jacob Pugh, Andrew Trumbetti, Walter Brady,

CB: Joshua Jackson, Denzel Ward, Isaiah Oliver, / Jaire Alexander, Mike Hughes, Carlton Davis, J.C. Jackson, Nick Nelson, //Donte Jackson, Anthony Averett, Kevin Toliver II, Christian Campbell, Dane Cruikshank, Tony Brown, Holton Hill, Parry Nickerson, Greg Stroman, ///Duke Dawson, M.J. Stewart, Kameron Kelly, Tarvarus McFadden, Rashaan Gaulden, D’Montre Wade, Isaac Yiadom, Kamrin Moore, Quenton Meeks, ////Michael Joseph, Taron Johnson, Andre Chachere, Jamar Summers, Dee Delaney,Trey Johnson,Davontae Harris, Jaylen Dunlap, /////Henre’ Toliver, Brandon Facyson, Deatrick Nichols, Devron Davis,

WR: Calvin Ridley, Courtland Sutton, /D.J. Moore, D.J. Chark, Equanimeous St. Brown, //Christian Kirk, Auden Tate, Michael Gallup, DaeSean Hamilton, Dante Pettis, Daurice Fountain, Jaleel Scott,Darren Carrington, Tre’Quan Smith, ///Anthony Miller, Simmie Cobbs Jr., James Washington, Marcel Ateman, Javon Wims, Deon Cain, Deontay Burnett, Allen Lazard, Justin Watson,Cedric Wilson, Jordan Lasley, Steve Ishmael, Marquez Valdes-Scantling, //// Keke Coutee, Trey Quinn, J’Mon Moore, Antonio Callaway, Byron Pringle, Korey Robertson, Jester Weah, /////Jake Wieneke, Richie James, Cam Phillips, Dylan Cantrell, Ka’Raun White, Austin Proehl, Davon Grayson, Chris Lacey, Robert Foster,

TE: Hayden Hurst, /Mark Andrews, Mike Gesicki, Dallas Goedert, //Dalton Schultz, Troy Fumagalli, ///Jordan Aikens, Durham Smythe, Chris Herndon, Ian Thomas, ////Will Dissly, Adam Breneman,Austin Roberts, DeAndre Goolsby, /////Marcus Baugh, Ryan Izzo,Brandon Lingen, Ethan Wolf, Ryan Yurachek, Jeb Blazevich, David Wells,

OT: Mike McGlinchey, Isaiah Wynn, OT/C/G, / Kolton Miller, Orlando Brown, Brian O’Neill, //Martinas Rankin, Geron Christian,Connor Williams, Austin Corbett, OT/C, Jamarco Jones, Brandon Parker, Tyrell Crosby, Desmond Harrison, ///Chukwuma Okorafor, Greg Senat, Brett Toth, Alex Cappa, Jamil Demby, ////Toby Weathersby, Nick Gates, K.J. Malone, Ike Boettger, Bentley Spain, Will Richardson, Rod Taylor, OT/G, Jerron Searles, /////Timon Parris, Joel Noteboom, Cole Madison, Rick Leonard,David Bright, OT/G //////K.C. McDermott, Casey Tucker, Jaryd Jones-Smith, Brendan Mahon, OT/G

C: / Billy Price, C/G,James Daniels, // Frank Ragnow, C/G, ///Scott Quessenberry, C/G, Sean Welsh, C/G, Tony Adams, Mason Cole,Will Clapp, C/G, ////Mark Korte, Austin Golson, Coleman Shelton, /////Bradley Bozeman, Brian Allen,

ILB: Leighton Vander Esch,/ Rashaan Evans, //Malik Jefferson, Oren Burks, Micah Kiser,/// Shaun Dion Hamilton, Nick DeLuca, Dorian O’Daniel, Christian Sam, Leon Jacobs, ////Frank Ginda, Matthew Thomas, Azeem Victor, Genard Avery, Chad Whitener, Joel Lanning, Joel Iyiegbuniwe, ///// Keishawn Bierria, Nyles Morgan, Myles Pierce, Christian Covington,////// Kenny Young,

S: Minkah Fitzpatrick, Derwin James, /Justin Reid, Ronnie Harrison, Terrell Edmunds, //Jessie Bates, DeShon Elliott, Kyzir White, Armani Watts, Natrell Jamerson, ///Jordan Whitehead, Siran Neal,Dominick Sanders,Trayvon Henderson, Tray Matthews, Jeremy Reaves, Tre Flowers, ////Marcus Allen, Damon Webb, Quin Blanding, Jamar Summers, S/CB, Jordan Martin, Marcell Harris, Troy Apke, /////Van Smith, Godwin Igwebuike, Sean Chandler, Steven Parker, Jaleel Wadood, Drue Tranquill, Tyree Robinson, Jarrod Franklin, Joshua Kalu, Cole Reyes, Evan Berry, ////// Stephen Roberts, Nick Washington, Trey Marshall, Max Redfield, Ed Paris,

G: Quenton Nelson, /Will Hernandez, //Braden Smith, //// Skyler Phillips, Wyatt Teller, Leka Uhatafe, ///// Sam Jones, Taylor Hearn, Tyrone Crowder, Larry Allen Jr., Viane Talamaivao, Brandon Fanaika, Cody O’Connell,

DE: Bradley Chubb, / Da’Shawn Hand, Breeland Speaks, Harrison Phillips, //Duke Ejiofor, Rasheem Green, R.J. McIntosh, Andrew Brown, B.J. Hill, /// Jalyn Holmes, Tyquan Lewis, JoJo Wicker, ////Aikeem Coleman, Kahlil McKenzie Jr.,Greg Gilmore,Christian LaCouture, Bilal Nichols, ///// Bunmi Rotimi, John Franklin, Eddy Wilson, Parker Cothren, Matt Dickerson, Drew Bailey,

DT/NT: Vita Vea, Da’Ron Payne, /Taven Bryan, Tim Settle, // Trenton Thompson, Folorunso Fatukasi, /// Maurice Hurst, Derrick Nnadi, Justin Jones, Nathan Shepherd, ////Kendrick Norton, Du’Vonta Lampkin, Deadrin Senat, Bruce Hector, /////James Looney, Lowell Lotulelei, ////// Taylor Stallworth, Zaycoven Henderson, Joshua Frazier, John Atkins, Matt Elam,

RB: Saquon Barkley, /Sony Michel, Derrius Guice, Ronald Jones II, Nick Chubb, Kerryon Johnson, Rashaad Penny, Kalen Ballage, Jaylen Samuels, // Royce Freeman, /// Nyheim Hines, Mark Walton, Josh Adams, Kyle Hicks, Justin Jackson, Ralph Webb, Ito Smith, ////John Kelly, Roc Thomas, Bo Scarborough, D’Ernest Johnson, ///// Jeffery Wilson, Nick Wilson, Lavon Coleman, Darrel Williams, Akrum Wadley, Chase Edmonds, Martez Carter, Justin Crawford, Jarvion Franklin,Chris Warren, //////Kamryn Pettway,

FB: ////Dimitri Flowers, Ryan Nall, ///// J.D. Moore, Nick Bawden, ////// Khalid Hill,

QB: Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, Josh Rosen, Lamar Jackson, Baker Mayfield, / // Luke Falk, ///Mason Rudolph,Kyle Lauletta, Chase Litton, //// Alex McGough, Nic Shimonek, Tanner Lee, Kurt Benkert, /////Mike White, Logan Woodside, Riley Ferguson,

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beast
7 years ago

Tell me where I've fucked up.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Roquan Smith is currently the best ILB (not OLB), though Tremaine Edmunds in theory has the physical potential to maybe some day be better than Smith.

I also count Tremaine Edmunds as an ILB (currently), though there is a lot of talk about him being an OLB... my problem with that talk, is that I can't find... and talking heads can't seem to find one video where he's ever pass rushed the edge against an OT. And while yes, he has all the physical traits to in theory be a good/great pass rushing OLB... it's hard for me to image, when you can't find a single video of it being done (yet). Though in theory, he could be a very good 3-4 OLB... of course... he's only 19 years old and possible has the greatest physical upside potential in the history of all LBers. Though he has problems in man coverage, so he might not ever reach his full potential... there are a ton of IFs with him.

I certainly don't have OLB Harold Landry or CB Joshua Jackson as the top at their positions. Though Jackson might have the highest ceiling of any of the CBs... he's still needs some working on some of the core basics of CBs... such as back pedaling... he's gotten away with horrible technique because he's such a great athlete... but in the pros it'll take both. And his technique is so poor, that I question how much he's willing to put into it, to learn good technique... of course... he was a WR not that long enough, but still.

How is the Beast not on your board at all? 😉 ... when he's the best FB every draft class 😂 and never gets drafted 👅
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