Cheesey
6 years ago
Thanks Yoop!
I was starting to feel like I was alone on a deserted island.

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Zero2Cool
6 years ago
They're all intensely over paid. We all know this. If it were a true Union, then a lot of the money would be in a pension for players to survive off of once their career is done. But players are greedy. Earn millions now, blow it away and then whine about head issues. (legit issue about head though)

I'd like to see lower salaries and more money for bettering the life of athletes post career.
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Smokey
6 years ago

They're all intensely over paid. We all know this. If it were a true Union, then a lot of the money would be in a pension for players to survive off of once their career is done. But players are greedy. Earn millions now, blow it away and then whine about head issues. (legit issue about head though)

I'd like to see lower salaries and more money for bettering the life of athletes post career.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Welcome to the real world. There are selfish, greedy, cold hearted people all around us, they are called Republicans. These are the same back stabbing people that stepped on your hands as they climbed the ladder of success and then overturned the ladder when they reached a new level.

Many players and for certain their agent's are out to get every penny that they can and to hell with the next fellow. They may turn down money from one team, but in the long term they expect to make even more with another team over time.

How do I know about such people? Well I know because my own brother is just such a person. I love my brother, but it hurts my heart when I consider how he will explain his life in the next one. 40 years ago a wise man met my brother and later was heard to comment that he had Dollar Signs ($) in his eyes. His first love above all else is money and to that he has dedicated his life.

Many Athletes are no different. They use their sport to chase the mighty dollar. It's not bad that anyone gets rich, it's poor behavior that some feel that they must embrace that is the real tragedy.

We all know that a huge mega-contract for one player can prevent a team from hiring needed players. A set % of available salary money limit for each position player could help, but it would never hold up in any court. However it would work as follows:

QB - not more than 30% against the salary cap
RB and/or WR - not more than 20% against the salary cap
CB - not more than 15% against the salary cap
and so on ...

A player could get the max if they were a League MVP, or a Pro-Bowler, or if a team placed their franchise tag on a player. New or unproven players would have a league minimum for each position. Under such a system teams would be more equal and coaching/talent would rule over the league.

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buckeyepackfan
6 years ago
6 years - 180m

Roll the 40mil owed the next 2 years into a signing bonus.
Guarantee 120mil.
That's 160mil that can be spread out over 8 years.
20mil a year.
Set base salary at 4mil for the 1st 4 years.
Then escalate base salary the last 4 years to pay the remaining 60 mil.

Year 5 7mil
Year 6 8mil
Year's 7 and 8 15mil. (Knowing full well this money is just window dressing for the agent.
Cap hit 1st 4 years is 24mil.
Year 5 cap hit 27mil
Year 6 cap hit 28mil
Year's 7 and 8 cap hit 35mil each.

The agent can say Aaron is the 1st to make 30mil a year.

Everyone can be happy.
I was addicted to The Hokey Pokey, but I turned myself around!
Cheesey
6 years ago
Geez Smokey.....do you have to turn EVERY thread into a "I hate republicans" rant? You act like democrats are all "loving and caring" people. I'm a republican, and I am NOT "rich" by any standard. In fact, I am BELOW poverty level. And I care about my fellow man.

You throw out blanket statements like you actually have FACTS to back them up, when you DON'T.
Democrats are just as "selfish, greedy and cold hearted" as you claim all republicans are.
The tax reforms that were passed by the President made it better for all middle and lower class people. But you will ignore that, or it would destroy your obvious non truth based hatred.

How many pro ball players are democrats??? I bet a lot of them. They are JUST as greedy as the rest.
PLEASE get off your high horse and stop turning everything into your "hate platform".
You did the same thing to me when you first came here. You attacked me, and it took the site rallying around me for you to realize what you were doing wasn't right.

People are human. ALL have the same possibilities to be good, OR bad. Not all republicans or democrats are good, OR evil. I have known ones on both sides.
You need to face that just because you have this made up hatred, doesn't mean it's true.

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steveishere
6 years ago
I don't even see the NFL players as that greedy. They don't actually make that much compared to the massive amounts of money the NFL pulls in yearly. They play less games than other leagues like MLB and NBA but the NFL makes way more money in a year than those leagues and the players still get less of a take. I don't like when players sign deals then want a re do in like 2 years after someone else gets a better deal but I don't blame any player for getting a big pay day when they are a free agent or have the leverage. Rodgers contract hasn't been the reason GB hasn't had a good defense his whole time here so I'm not really buying that argument much, I think it just gets used as an excuse more often than it is a legitimate reason.
Barfarn
6 years ago
PFF graded Rodgers as #11 QB in ’17 [this grade was not harmed because he got hurt] and I’m sure he wasn’t much better in ’15 and ’16. Plus, he got hurt doing the things that got him a #11 grade [not getting rid of the ball, when he should have].

We started this education effort mid ’16 and many Rodgers sycophants scoffed, arguing [not totally unreasonably] that he had a few bad games. But, no it’s been 3 years...THREE YEARS, since he’s played more than a half of season at an elite level.

So what dumbshit GM is going to pay the #11 QB, who’s failed to be elite since 2015, is at best the 30th best player in the league, the NFL’s highest contract?

Is the person that supports this over pay thinking like a professional expert?

Oh, and imagine how low his grade would be, if we took away his breath taking highlight plays; you know, the ones that cause the sycophant fan to giz all over himself?

Draft a QB in round 1 or 2; let this bitch play out his last 2 years; and get a 3rd round comp pic. Betchya he’d be damn good with that chip on his shoulder over the next 2. Who knows if he gets reacquainted with winning, grows up, losses some of his messiah complex, maybe he signs in GB in 2 years.

Now Buckeye, proffered a contract for Rodgers above; it's brilliant! The key is that the coming $19m x 2 REMAINS! If Gutey tears up the 2 years and gives Rodgers the biggest deal; then he is not his own man’s GM; but Aaron‘s and Danica’s little bitch.
steveishere
6 years ago

PFF graded Rodgers as #11 QB in ’17 [this grade was not harmed because he got hurt] and I’m sure he wasn’t much better in ’15 and ’16. Plus, he got hurt doing the things that got him a #11 grade [not getting rid of the ball, when he should have].

Originally Posted by: Barfarn 



#3 overall player in 2016
Barfarn
6 years ago

#3 overall player in 2016

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



FAKE NEWS! 😂 j/k

He was pretty good for those 6 games in streak; I guess that pulled him up to #3. But #3 is still not #1 and when it comes to WINNING, Id rather have guys #4 thru about #8, if they were CONSISTENT.

In playoffs, Rodgers' overall stats look decent; but he was:
Very very good against Giants.
Very very good for 2 quarters against Dallas, very bad for 1.5 Quarters.
Very bad for 3 quarters v. Atlanta.

You cannot win a SB with a QB playing like this, like Jay Cutler. So pay him closer o Cutler than,well, Aaron Rodgers. This 2018 Rodgers is not same Rodgers idolized by so many.
Cheesey
6 years ago
If you have a great QB , like we do now, but you never give him a decent enough defense to back him up, you can’t expect him to carry the team all alone.
If Tom Brady didn’t have a good D, he wouldn’t have 5 super bowl rings.
If the Packers finally decide to give Rodgers a decent defense, maybe we will have a few more championships to celebrate.
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packerfanoutwest (4h) : or did you resctrict access to that topic?
packerfanoutwest (4h) : why did you remove the Playoff topic?
Zero2Cool (19h) : Tua’s old DC won a Super Bowl Year 1 with Tua’s former backup
Mucky Tundra (21h) : *winning MVP
Mucky Tundra (21h) : Funny observation I've heard: Carson Wentz was on the sideline for both Eagles Super Bowl wins w/guys supposed to be his back up winning
Zero2Cool (10-Feb) : NFL thought it would get more attention week preceding Super Bowl.
Zero2Cool (10-Feb) : Yes, the Pro Bowl. It was played Sunday before Super Bowl from 2010-2022
packerfanoutwest (10-Feb) : pro bowl
Zero2Cool (10-Feb) : From 2010 to 2022, it was played on the Sunday before the Super Bowl
Zero2Cool (10-Feb) : They moved it to the BYE week before Super Bowl several years ago.
packerfanoutwest (10-Feb) : it was always after the SB.....
beast (10-Feb) : Though I stop following pro bowl years ago
beast (10-Feb) : I thought the pro game was before the Super Bowl?
packerfanoutwest (10-Feb) : ok now for the Pro Bowl Game in Hawaii
TheKanataThrilla (10-Feb) : If I was Philly I would try to end it instead of punting it
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : VICTORY! We have (moral) victory!
TheKanataThrilla (10-Feb) : Hey they mentioned that we 3-peted
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : seems to me the 49ers should have traded Aiyuk when they had the chance
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : if the Eagles get it down to the 1, do they Tush Push or give it to Barkley?
TheKanataThrilla (10-Feb) : 49ers have a money problem if they want to sign their QB
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : Wait for real? Didn't he just get an extension two years ago?
Zero2Cool (10-Feb) : 49ers gonna trade Deebo. Interesting
TheKanataThrilla (10-Feb) : Replays always never seem to show the holdings
TheKanataThrilla (10-Feb) : Great throw by Hurts
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : Where Carter falls prey to bad off the field influences (to be clear, not saying he'd clip someone though)
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : Had Carter not gone to Philly were they already had a lot of old college friends, he ends up in a similar spot to Aaron Hernandez
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : I think some of his coaches told scouts to stay away
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : the street racing incident+conditioning and motivation problems
beast (10-Feb) : Then Carter was street racing, where the other car crashed and people died... and other teams were scared to pick Carter for some reason
beast (10-Feb) : I think the Saints traded up, giving their next year 1st to the Eagles, and then they sucked and Eagles got the 10th overall pick
packerfanoutwest (10-Feb) : wtf Barkley?
TheKanataThrilla (10-Feb) : Getting Carter and Nolan Smith in the first round in 2023 was pretty darn good
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : for some reason i'm thinking of a draft where the Eagles where in the mid 20s and a top player fell all the way to them
TheKanataThrilla (10-Feb) : I think so. I would need to look it up. Think it may have been Carolina's pick.
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : i'm not sure who i'm thinking of now
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : oh fuck me i messed that up
Zero2Cool (10-Feb) : Jordan Davis was 13th overall
Zero2Cool (10-Feb) : Carter was 9th overall
Zero2Cool (10-Feb) : Eagles had 15th and 10th selections, moved to 13 and 9 to get Davis and Carter back to back
Zero2Cool (10-Feb) : Eagles traded up for Carter, didn't they?
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : Obviously he was a huge risk but getting a top 5 talent on the dline in the mid 20s is fortuitous
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : Jalen Carter falling into their lap certainly helps
TheKanataThrilla (10-Feb) : And we could only wish to have this type of D
TheKanataThrilla (10-Feb) : It's not like Philly has had low draft picks, but has managed to get themselves a top notch pass rush. We spend so much draft capital of D
packerfanoutwest (10-Feb) : another crap halftime show
TheKanataThrilla (10-Feb) : I think it is over, but then I think of Atlanta and want Philly to go in with the same intensity in the second half
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : And with a Pass Rush that might as well be on a milk cartoon and no Jaire
Martha Careful (10-Feb) : I cant help but feel good about how well the Packers D played in Philly during the playoffs
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : this game is over
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : This might be the kill shot here
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