Zero2Cool
7 years ago

No one likes talking about our 24th ranked D. Why is it 24th, and terrible? Old question but goes unanswered every time.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



You don't see all the complaining about how crappy the defense is? You don't see all the comments on how we can't get off the field on third downs? I think you need to open your eyes instead of focusing on a few and judging the masses because nothing in this community is absolutely as you claim with your "no one".

Our defense is 42nd, not 24th. That's right, 10 teams not even in the NFL are better!!


Why is it terrible? As every one has stated before.
[list]
  • Poor draft picks
  • Over complicated scheme
  • Undeveloped talent
  • Not utilizing free agents to fill holes not filled via draft
  • middle of the field always seems to be open
  • Injuries
  • [/list]

    Those are the common explanations.
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    uffda udfa
    7 years ago
    Is it Ted... Just maybe? It never gets pinned on anyone. Who is responsible? Someone is.

    Who has a job of acquiring talent? Ted Thompson. Is he good at it? When looking at D, it's a simple answer. No. He's brutal at it. Ted Thompson sucks and needs to retire yesterday. Dom is barely awake during games. He needs to go, too, but Mike McCarthy swears by him. If HC won't make a change, then HC needs to go but won't happen in this circular buddy club we have here. No accountability. It's been turning us into Cleveland slowly but surely year after year while 12 sends out false positives. Diagnose this org properly before it goes septic. It's slowly dying as currently constituted. You just know so many want 12 back to put an end to all this talk but his masking of it doesn't make it any less real or in need of prompt attention.
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    Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."


    Zero2Cool
    7 years ago

    Is it Ted... Just maybe? It never gets pinned on anyone. Who is responsible? Someone is.

    Who has a job of acquiring talent? Ted Thompson. Is he good at it? When looking at D, it's a simple answer. No. He's brutal at it. Ted Thompson sucks and needs to retire yesterday. Dom is barely awake during games. He needs to go, too, but Mike McCarthy swears by him. If HC won't make a change, then HC needs to go but won't happen in this circular buddy club we have here. No accountability. It's been turning us into Cleveland slowly but surely year after year while 12 sends out false positives. Diagnose this org properly before it goes septic. It's slowly dying as currently constituted. You just know so many want 12 back to put an end to all this talk but his masking of it doesn't make it any less real or in need of prompt attention.

    Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



    No one is responsible. This is a team game and the sooner you accept that, the better off you will be. I mean it, you will sleep so much better at night. The failure on defense is a collective effort from top to bottom to players.

    Ted's fault is failing to be more aggressive in free agency, in my opinion. He's getting decent talent, but it's not being developed. And we try to find guys for our scheme, rather than landing a really good player and building around him.

    Sorry, I know you want to 100% blame Ted Thompson because he kicked your kitten or something, but I'm not ignorant and you shouldn't' be either. You worked in media. You know there's a shit ton that goes into this and it's not some ONE that's at fault. But hey, you want to look for negative rather than hope for positive. That's your own deal, its just not me.
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    Porforis
    7 years ago
    The Browns have perpetually had trashy teams and even when they've had okay teams, they always always always always find a way to lose. As in every single game is a typical Packers playoff loss.

    The Packers minus Rodgers are not the Browns. Give the Browns a little credit at just how spectacularly terrible and inept they are.
    nerdmann
    7 years ago
    I would put it more like this:

    BROWNS=PACKERS-RODGERS.

    This is a much better team than their record. They've lost at least 5 very close games. I've said it before, this will be a tougher game than the last one. And the last one went to overtime.

    Hopefully Brett will play better on the road, again.
    “Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
    uffda udfa
    7 years ago

    No one is responsible. This is a team game and the sooner you accept that, the better off you will be. I mean it, you will sleep so much better at night. The failure on defense is a collective effort from top to bottom to players.

    Ted's fault is failing to be more aggressive in free agency, in my opinion. He's getting decent talent, but it's not being developed. And we try to find guys for our scheme, rather than landing a really good player and building around him.

    Sorry, I know you want to 100% blame Ted Thompson because he kicked your kitten or something, but I'm not ignorant and you shouldn't' be either. You worked in media. You know there's a shit ton that goes into this and it's not some ONE that's at fault. But hey, you want to look for negative rather than hope for positive. That's your own deal, its just not me.

    Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



    I just can't anymore. No one is responsible? No NFL team should ever fire a GM or HC or DC because "no one is responsible". ?????????????

    The Giants should've stayed with Reese and McAdoo because no one was responsible for how bad they were. Mike Sherman should still be the coach and GM...he was never responsible for anything.

    A session on the couch with a Dr. Phil type is needed on the subject of accountability and responsibility. This avoidance is scary and comes from some very strange place.

    I'm going to re read the no one is responsible over and over hoping I missed something because I'm in shock you typed that.

    You dropped the word "ignorant" on me while saying no one is responsible? I hope this is a gag post.

    EDIT: Just reread the post several times. It's the end of me. This forum exists in fantasy land. I want to take part in a smart forum. Guys like Buck and nerd should remain here as they fit the program. Hoping everyone else looks for a place that doesn't operate like this one. I would be embarrassed to stay here with the kinds of things I've read here the last few days. I won't enable and play along. Sorry, for whatever angst I caused anyone. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
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    Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."


    Zero2Cool
    7 years ago

    I just can't anymore. No one is responsible? No NFL team should ever fire a GM or HC or DC because "no one is responsible". ?????????????

    The Giants should've stayed with Reese and McAdoo because no one was responsible for how bad they were. Mike Sherman should still be the coach and GM...he was never responsible for anything.

    A session on the couch with a Dr. Phil type is needed on the subject of accountability and responsibility. This avoidance is scary and comes from some very strange place.

    I'm going to re read the no one is responsible over and over hoping I missed something because I'm in shock you typed that.

    You dropped the word "ignorant" on me while saying no one is responsible? I hope this is a gag post.

    Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



    You're the most obtuse person I have read. You stopped at four words and ranted without understanding any context that followed. Good job, do you feel better?
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    steveishere
    7 years ago
    I believe Ted could have done more over the years to bolster the team but he has his methods and stuck to it but overall I think we've had good talent on this team. Part of why I struggle giving Dom the benefit of the doubt is we have a lot of players have are having good seasons on defense individually but it's not really correlating to overall team success.

    Players like Daniels, Clark, Martinez, Randall (post benching), and Burnett have been exceptional. Guys like Matthews, Perry, House, Ryan, Brooks and Lowery have been mostly good but not exceptional. Then Josh Jones, Hawkins, King, and Dial have been up and down hell even Fackrell has had a couple decent games. The only significant players who have been mostly bad all year are Haha and Rollins.

    I'm also starting to get a little skeptical of how bad a DB is who struggles in our defense after what Hayward and Hyde are doing in other systems.
    wpr
    • wpr
    • Preferred Member Topic Starter
    7 years ago

    You don't see all the complaining about how crappy the defense is? You don't see all the comments on how we can't get off the field on third downs? I think you need to open your eyes instead of focusing on a few and judging the masses because nothing in this community is absolutely as you claim with your "no one".

    Our defense is 42nd, not 24th. That's right, 10 teams not even in the NFL are better!!


    Why is it terrible? As every one has stated before.
    [list]

  • Poor draft picks
  • Over complicated scheme
  • Undeveloped talent
  • Not utilizing free agents to fill holes not filled via draft
  • middle of the field always seems to be open
  • Injuries
  • [/list]

    Those are the common explanations.

    Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



    The never ending injuries plays as big of a factor as any 2 of the other problems. I suppose if they had potential All pros lined up 3 deep on the depth chart they could withstand 3 or 4 guys at the same position going down but who has that?
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    nerdmann
    7 years ago

    The never ending injuries plays as big of a factor as any 2 of the other problems. I suppose if they had potential All pros lined up 3 deep on the depth chart they could withstand 3 or 4 guys at the same position going down but who has that?

    Originally Posted by: wpr 



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