Tom Silverstein: Nick Perry 1yr $5 million· Page 3

steveishere
Veteran Member

8 years ago

To be considered an OLB, you need to be able to shift your hips and run with the backs and tight ends. This guy can't do that so he is actually 4-3 defensive end. I don't understand your confusion.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT

The majority of his responsibility is to set the edge against the run and beat left tackles to get to the QB. He just has to do it standing up instead of with his hand down. Not that he's good at coverage but he really hasn't been a major problem with it when he's played simply because it's not that common for him to have to cover somebody. Julius peppers can turn and run with backs and TE but he rarely has to. Shea McClellan is still available I think, maybe we should pay him 5m lol

DakotaT
Select Member

8 years ago

#22

Originally Posted by: steveishere

I suggest you go put in some footage of the Pittsburgh Steelers defense for the last 20+ years, so that you have an understanding of what a 3-4 OLB is suppose to be able to do on a football field. We have yet to place bookend OLB's on the field since we switched to a 3-4 and it is frustrating as hell. We play some kind of hybrid because we have a lot of square pegs in round holes and it is disingenuous to call the defense the Packers play a 3-4.

nerdmann
Premier Member

8 years ago

#23

Originally Posted by: DakotaT

That is annoying.

I put that at least partly on Capers though. He's the one who wants these tweeners.

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steveishere
Veteran Member

8 years ago

#24

Originally Posted by: DakotaT

I don't care what the 1980 steelers did. There are plenty of 3-4 d's throughout history that didn't use their OLB a significant amount in coverage including ours. Clay and Peppers are both good in coverage but they still don't do it that often. That's just Capers defense, he prefers using extra secondary players in that role.

nerdmann
Premier Member

8 years ago

#25

I don't care what the 1980 steelers did. There are plenty of 3-4 d's throughout history that didn't use their OLB a significant amount in coverage including outs. Clay and Peppers are both good in coverage but they still don't do it that often. That's just Capers defense, he prefers using extra secondary players in that role.

Originally Posted by: steveishere

Our team's theory is that you put the bigger run-stuffing type dude on one side, and the pass rushing dude on the other side.

But I agree, we need TWO bookends now. Clay's getting older, not even sure he still has it anymore.

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DakotaT
Select Member

8 years ago

#26

Originally Posted by: steveishere

NO, he doesn't prefer that, he is using the players the GM is providing him. So now we are full circle back to Nick Perry being a 4-3 defensive end. Are you having fun yet? 🙄

steveishere
Veteran Member

8 years ago

#27

NO, he doesn't prefer that, he is using the players the GM is providing him. So now we are full circle back to Nick Perry being a 4-3 defensive end. Are you having fun yet? 🙄

Originally Posted by: DakotaT

So he doesn't prefer it yet when he has 2 starting olb that can cover people they still rarely do because steelers... Yeah makes sense. A 3-4 OLB is an edge rusher, being able to cover is a plus but not a deal breaker. All they are usually covering is short stuff to the flats or in the backfield. Any 3-4 D would take someone who can play the run and rush the passer but can't cover over someone who can cover but isn't as good at anything else. Nick Perry plays on the edge in a 2 point stance so he's an OLB, not that there's a big difference either way.

This teams personnel has changed a lot over the years with various different strengths and weaknesses yet Dom has always found a way to use his 2-4-5 and other packages with extra secondary players over 70% of the time. I don't think that's going to change much no matter what players we have.

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