MM notes· Page 2 · PACKERSHOME

musccy
Veteran Member

9 years ago

He is nowhere close to burfict.

I've seen him yell at Linsley, throw his tablets too, and a contrived connection of some dots, I wonder if he was the reason Janis wasn't seeing as much playing time. I want to stress I'm not kissing his butt...I'm just taking more of the middle road.

Brady yells at teammates too, guys hit water coolers. We don't know what he's like in meeting rooms and practice.

uffda udfa
Veteran Member Topic Starter

9 years ago

#12

Originally Posted by: musccy

None of that other stuff has a thing to do with how he acted ON THE FIELD...IE: In between 1st and 2nd down and 2nd and 3rd down. His public display of negativity was indefensible. Honestly, would you want to play for a guy like that who was constantly calling you out, rolling his eyes, hand motioning, and acting like a prick every single play mumbling under his breath?

Again, we're at a place of avoidance of what we're discussing. It's about his lack of professionalism on the field. Not what he was doing on the sideline, in meetings, in locker room, etc.

Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."

musccy
Veteran Member

9 years ago

#13

I'm not avoiding what we're talking about. I'm saying see the bigger picture. We see 3 hours and a couple of minutes of press conferences to draw our conclusions from.

Mike said Aaron had as much adversity this year since 2008. To me that makes it clear that the wrs/TEs weren't doing their jobs this year on the field or during the week. Cobb is a rich vet right now and had a pretty shitty season. Davante and Janis' issues have been well documented. There are reasons for AR to be pissed off, and I don't entirely fault him for demonstrating that on the field. We all want accountability, and to an extent, it's an expression of Aaron demanding that of his wrs/te.

Again, not excusing him. I think his Linsley blow ups have been over the top, he had a pretty shitty year himself, and it was clear his body language improved in the playoffs. I'm just taking a little more of the middle road on this because I feel his frustrations had been warranted.

uffda udfa
Veteran Member Topic Starter

9 years ago

#14

I'm not avoiding what we're talking about. I'm saying see the bigger picture. We see 3 hours and a couple of minutes of press conferences to draw our conclusions from.

Mike said Aaron had as much adversity this year since 2008. To me that makes it clear that the wrs/TEs weren't doing their jobs this year on the field or during the week. Cobb is a rich vet right now and had a pretty shitty season. Davante and Janis' issues have been well documented. There are reasons for Aaron Rodgers to be pissed off, and I don't entirely fault him for demonstrating that on the field. We all want accountability, and to an extent, it's an expression of Aaron demanding that of his wrs/te.

Again, not excusing him. I think his Linsley blow ups have been over the top, he had a pretty shitty year himself, and it was clear his body language improved in the playoffs. I'm just taking a little more of the middle road on this because I feel his frustrations had been warranted.

Originally Posted by: musccy

There is no larger picture regarding the point I'm making. His on field behavior is either acceptable or not. I'm making the point that it is squarely in the not category. The other stuff that you call big picture has nothing to do with that.

I understand why he would be upset...I would be upset also and was watching what I watched. I didn't get all huffy here on my couch or throw things around or mumble expletives or any of that stuff. He is the face of our franchise and like it or not is held to a higher standard. What he did this season goes against all we thought we knew about him. He proved some of that stuff on Twitter that Finley's agent alleged that he was no leader. He sure didn't look like one to me...on the field. May have been the world's greatest in the big picture of things but on the field he wasn't. He should've been. Criminy, even the jock carrying Jason J Wilde asked his old radio partner about controlling his bad body language. If someone as sycophantic as Wilde is actually asking that question then you can bet there's beyond incredible levels of reasoning to do so.

EDIT: I went back and pulled up a quick Wilde tweet. Who loves and defends Aaron more than Wilde?

...and then Wilde actually asks him about controlling his body language.

Just listen to Wilde go off on the subject. Wilde is very down on him for his PATHETIC behavior. Why would anyone here defend him? Listen to it! It's really short and very pointed. Not the kind of thing you hear in Green Bay very often.

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=14205399

Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."

uffda udfa
Veteran Member Topic Starter

9 years ago

#15

Here's what I'm referring to from Wilde... and look at the effect being a real pro has on the team. What he did this year is beyond inexcusable as a professional.

From Wilde on ESPN.com

During the week leading up to the game, Rodgers had acknowledged that his body language had not always been good as the Packers followed their 6-0 start with a 4-6 finish. He had vowed to be more positive both in the days leading up to the game and during it.

On Sunday, he delivered on his promise.

“We feed off that,” veteran right guard T.J. Lang said. “When he’s at his best, everybody seems to follow suit and play their best. He’s our leader. The team goes as he goes. To see the urgency that he had and the confidence that he had making some great throws, that’s the Aaron we’re used to. And that’s the guy we’re going to need going forward. He knows that. He really gives a big boost to the whole team.”

Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."

PackFanWithTwins
Veteran Member

9 years ago

#16

You're joking, right? His on the field body language was the poorest I've seen from ANY NFL player and I've been watching NFL football since my earliest memories. Heck, I can't think of a player on any level of football with worse body language than Aaron had this season. The eye rolls the disgusted looks ...the hand gestures, the self mumbling. Detestable behavior for any player much less the leader and reigning MVP.

Oh, and I was thinking the D word not P word.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa

You are extremely exaggerating. I've seen the same body language from Favre, Brady, Manning, Montana, Young, Elway and pretty much every HOF QB I've had he pleasure of watching when they are having a bad year and things are not going as they would like.

The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!

uffda udfa
Veteran Member Topic Starter

9 years ago

#17

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins

If anything I'm underselling it. Did you listen to that jock sniffer Wilde even hammer him for it? Did you? Wilde is president of the Aaron Rodgers fan club but even he acknowledges truth when he sees it. You seem to be enabling and excusing it. It would be like Vic Ketchman saying a negative word about the franchise. It just doesn't happen. For Wilde to make such an issue out of it tells you what a big issue it actually is but here you are saying I'm exaggerating. No.

Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."

musccy
Veteran Member

9 years ago

#18

First, from Ask Vic this morning, in response to Lacy's stomach..
"He needs to break the line of scrimmage more often, and that’s where quickness and being lighter on his feet are the issues."

In response to the offense...
"Nelson is the big receiver the Packers didn’t have in 2015 and spent all season trying to find. Defenses easily identified the absence and then loaded up against the run. It was a domino effect that caused the offense to struggle all season."

I could keep going, just a side note because I'm a fan of his and disagree that he's not critical of the organization. He just can't say things as overtly as other reporters can. That's tangential to this topic, though.

Anyway, as for Wilde, I know you don't mean it this way but just because one homer is critical doesn't necessarily prove your point. PFWT mentioned others having bad body language, I don't think many are disagreeing that Aaron was pouty, and probably excessively so. I just don't think it was quite as damning as you're making it out to be.

PackFanWithTwins
Veteran Member

9 years ago

#19

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa

Not close to underselling it. Yes his body language was poor this year. As is normal for a HOF qb when having a crappy season. Heck it is normal for any person when things are not going good. Players do it, coaches do it, regular people do it. Its called frustration.

The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!

DarkaneRules
Veteran Member

9 years ago

#20

Rodgers missed on some throws he usually makes this year. Hopefully he's back to his amazing self next year. We're spoiled.

Circular Arguments: They are a heck of an annoyance

Important Information:

The PACKERSHOME uses cookies. By continuing to browse this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. More Details Close

Fan Shout

dfosterf (14-Jun) : TWO magnificent strikes for touchdowns. Lose the pennstate semigeezer non nfl backup

dfosterf (14-Jun) : There was minicamp Thursday. My man Taylor Engersma threw

dfosterf (11-Jun) : There will be a mini camp practice Thursday.

Zero2Cool (11-Jun) : He's been sporting a ring for a while now. It's probably Madonna.

Martha Careful (10-Jun) : We only do the tea before whoopee, it relaxes me.

wpr (10-Jun) : That's awesome Martha.

Mucky Tundra (10-Jun) : How's the ayahuasca tea he makes, Martha?

Martha Careful (10-Jun) : Turns out he like older women

Martha Careful (10-Jun) : I wasn't supposed to say anything, but yes the word is out and we are happy 😂😂😂

Mucky Tundra (10-Jun) : I might be late on this but Aaron Rodgers is now married

Mucky Tundra (10-Jun) : Well he can always ask his brother for pointers

Zero2Cool (10-Jun) : Bo Melton taking some reps at CB as well as WR

Zero2Cool (10-Jun) : key transactions coming today at 3pm that will consume more cap in 2025

Zero2Cool (9-Jun) : Jaire played in just 34 of a possible 68 games since the start of the 2021 season

Zero2Cool (9-Jun) : reported, but not expected to practice

Zero2Cool (9-Jun) : Jenkins has REPORTED for mandatory camp

Zero2Cool (9-Jun) : I really thought he'd play for Packers.

buckeyepackfan (9-Jun) : Packers releasing Jaire Alexander.

Mucky Tundra (8-Jun) : (Context: he wants his defense to create turnovers)

Mucky Tundra (8-Jun) : Giants DC Shane Bowen tells players to “be a damn pirate."

dfosterf (6-Jun) : Semper fi !

Cheesey (6-Jun) : This is why I have so much respect for those that have gone through battles

Cheesey (6-Jun) : I can't even imagine what that would have been like

wpr (6-Jun) : "Come on, you sons of bitches. Do you want to live forever?"

wpr (6-Jun) : Facing a line of machine guns 2 time medal of Honor recipient, First Sergeant Dan Daly told his men,

wpr (6-Jun) : Another detachment went into the Belleau Wood.

wpr (6-Jun) : On the 6th the Marines took Hill 142 but suffered terrible losses.

wpr (6-Jun) : It’s time to remember dfoster’s Marine brothers in Belleau Wood. The battle went on from June 1-26. Nearly 10,000 casualties.

packerfanoutwest (6-Jun) : Nick Collins and Morgan Burnett have signed with the PACK

packerfanoutwest (6-Jun) : he won't be wearing #12, maybe he will wear number two

packerfanoutwest (6-Jun) : He will fail this season, should have retired

Mucky Tundra (5-Jun) : Thus the cycle of Hall of Fame Packer QBs going to the Jets and then the Vikings is broken

bboystyle (5-Jun) : Rodgers to steelers on 1 year contract

Zero2Cool (5-Jun) : It's the cycle of civilizations. Get lazier, lazier, softer, softer and vanish.

Martha Careful (5-Jun) : great point. every aspect of society, including art, culture and sports has degraded.

dfosterf (4-Jun) : Green Bay sweep meant something to society about stopping pure excellence. We have the tush push now

dfosterf (4-Jun) : We old Martha.

Martha Careful (4-Jun) : *front four

Martha Careful (4-Jun) : Re frout four, I wish we had some Green "People Eaters" or a fearsome foursome

dfosterf (4-Jun) : *directions*

dfosterf (4-Jun) : Just don't ask him for driving direct

dfosterf (4-Jun) : Jim Marshall was an all-time great DE for the Purple People Eaters. Didn't like him. That's a compliment. RIP

Zero2Cool (3-Jun) : ooppppss

Zero2Cool (3-Jun) : “Kenny Clark played all of last season hurt by the way and got surgery to fix it in January”

Mucky Tundra (3-Jun) : @ByRyanWood How much did the injury affect him last fall? “A lot.”

Mucky Tundra (3-Jun) : @ByRyanWood Kenny Clark said he had foot surgery in January. Injured his foot in opener against Eagles and played through it all year.

Zero2Cool (3-Jun) : Golden is wearing guardian cap again. I bet he plays with it on too.

Mucky Tundra (3-Jun) : All the stuff I'm reading from Lions fans are pointing at his toe; he more or less has permanent turf toe in one of his big toes

dfosterf (3-Jun) : Kenny played through it, and a shame he gets little credit for that, imo

dfosterf (3-Jun) : Big men. I hope it's not the undoing of Kenny Clark

Please sign in to use Fan Shout

2025 Packers Schedule

Sunday, Sep 7 @ 3:25 PM

LIONS

Thursday, Sep 11 @ 7:15 PM

COMMANDERS

Sunday, Sep 21 @ 12:00 PM

Browns

Sunday, Sep 28 @ 7:20 PM

Cowboys

Sunday, Oct 12 @ 3:25 PM

BENGALS

Sunday, Oct 19 @ 3:25 PM

Cardinals

Sunday, Oct 26 @ 7:20 PM

Steelers

Sunday, Nov 2 @ 12:00 PM

PANTHERS

Monday, Nov 10 @ 7:15 PM

EAGLES

Sunday, Nov 16 @ 12:00 PM

Giants

Sunday, Nov 23 @ 12:00 PM

VIKINGS

Thursday, Nov 27 @ 12:00 PM

Lions

Sunday, Dec 7 @ 12:00 PM

BEARS

Sunday, Dec 14 @ 3:25 PM

Broncos

Friday, Dec 19 @ 11:00 PM

Bears

Friday, Dec 26 @ 11:00 PM

RAVENS

Saturday, Jan 3 @ 11:00 PM

Vikings