buckeyepackfan
10 years ago

Buckeye....it was close between you and greengold's "I gotcha.. So name recognition and went to a big school are the important things? Man I had that wrong all along.

I guess in retrospect that Tony Mandarich pick was really good. Everyone knew the name and cheered when he got picked.

Gee guys, thanks for setting me straight. All these years I thought we were supposed to get the best players and not worry about name recognition" post.

But you won out, and get the "Cheesey post of the day" award!🤣
Seriously, both of you made me laugh! (And that's not an easy thing to do!)
Keep up the good work!!!!😝

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 



😂

All I know is there are 20 - 25 young men in Green Bay this wweekend, most Wil have this weekend and this Summer to try and fulfill a lifelong dream.

I'm really not thinking or worried about the 2015 season, just hoping these guys all play well and there are no serious injuries.
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Smokey
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10 years ago
If members of this forum choose not to question TT's choice's as to personal and want to believe that he can do no wrong, then that is their choice. I however do choose to question TT's decisions.

When I see The Packers as well as many other teams and experts exhort potential draft picks (for multiple positions) and then see those players passed by to draft players of questionable ability, I do question it. Choosing players from schools that play in less competitive college conferences as players that excelled in top level conferences are passed over does make me question those choices. Because it's TT's decision is not good enough for me. The players can be "developed" is not the answer I want to hear, when developed players from the top level schools are passed by.

I don't like TT's style of management and I never have. The man is CHEAP, unwilling to risk lower round draft picks to acquire better players, and his explanations do not address his reasoning.

I don't trust him to give Coach McCarthy and his Staff the players that will give the Packers the best chance to win championships. In addition, many other teams choose their personal more wisely and do win championships. Ridgedly clinging to policies that fail to achieve the desired goal is insane.

Now if you believe that Ted Thompson can do no wrong and support whatever he does, then that is your choice. As for me, blaming individual players or coaches when the Packers loose is not my choice, I blame the decision/s that brought those players to the team.

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DarkaneRules
10 years ago
Come on ... please spell the word right! I beg you!
Circular Arguments: They are a heck of an annoyance
Zero2Cool
10 years ago
Simply because a fan doesn't jump off a cliff because the Packers didn't or did make a transaction does not mean they feel the Packers do no wrong. I have not yet encountered a single Packers fan who did not question multiple transactions by the Packers.

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greengold
10 years ago

I don't like TT's style of management and I never have.

Originally Posted by: Smokey 



At least you admit it.

So to summarize: Loose. Sheep. Bad.

I got it, thanks.





nerdmann
10 years ago

At the time, the pick was solid. He was considered one of the most sure things at OL. Of course, we can all be brilliant with hindsight in our back pocket, but fact is, at the time, it was a good pick.

Sadly, it was an even better pick for the Lions, Chiefs and Falcons!! 🤬

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Mandarich stopped juicing and grew man boobs. Didn't have the same explosion.

He also drank swamp water on a hunting trip in upper Michigan and got sick from amoebas. Took him a year or two to recover. He did come back after that and played a few seasons for Lindy Infante in Indianapolis. All people see is the hype, they don't see the big picture of what really happened.
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Cheesey
10 years ago
True, Nerd.
Maybe if Mandarich wouldn't have been such a high pick, people wouldn't be so worked up about it. But he was, and he was the biggest draft bust the Packers ever had.
And of course hind sight( not takins Barry Sanders) adds to it.
But look at how many teams are kicking themselves for passing on Aaron Rodgers!
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Barfarn
10 years ago

When we are sitting on 7-10 million in available cap space at the end of a season, no core guy is being lost or not getting paid because of some FA brought in. And with contracts not being fully guaranteed, the only risk is in the amount of SB or guaranteed money given. If none of the younger players can beat him out, than he plays and the team is better off. If the younger guys end up developing to where they can win the position, than they play and we can release the FA, and again the team is better off.

Having a starting position filled with maybe players might end up paying off in 2 or 3 years, when they are ready to get new contracts. But if they don't the team is just weaker because we didn't look outside of the team and draft.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



Every penny will be spent securing as much of the core as possible, the 7-10M covers 1 year of future Daniels.

Seattle hasn't been nearly the most aggressive in FA; but the result was 30M in dead money; conversely Ted Thompson has less than 10M. 20M more in dead money would have cost us both Bulaga and Cobb. This looks like a slippery-slope argument 'cause signing, EG Spikes, won't create 20M more in dead money. But if a GM doesnt have the discipline to say no to Spikes; this mistake will be repeated. A GM must have a compelling reason to sign a FA; not as Schneider says, "[because] I just cant sleep knowing all that talent is out there."

The new practice rules make it really tough to pick one guy to start, have him fail, and then pick another.

Who's more of a "maybe player:" Bradford who they watched in practice everyday, knowing how he executes within the scheme; knowing how he studies film; knowing how he relates to his mates both on and off the field; knowing whether a minor injury will make him 10-20-50- or 100% less effective; knowing he’s comfy w/ the playbook’s terminology; knowing whether he plays better w/ Barrington or Palmer at his side and/or Raji, Pennel or Guion in front of him; etc.; or Spikes, who they can see on film and only guess his role in the scheme; can only guess as to his lockeroom character or how he’ll mesh; can only guess as to whether he’ll learn the new playbook so thinking is replaced with instinct; can only guess how he'll react away from his family or whether his wife or kids will make his life a living hell for moving them to freaking GB...LOL? Etc.???

Alot of FAs fail because they're in the game for the money; when they get it; the edge comes off and suddenly great players becomes okay to bad and good players becomes bad to really bad. And more fail because football is 90% mental and [as Yogi would say] the other 50% is physical...LOL. Most players having a harmonious lockerroom and off-field life, study and play better. A FA moving to a new city, entirely new set of coaches, mates and playbook just may never feel comfy or “get it;” or he only gets it 80% of last team’s playbook; so he’s 20% slower in reacting. This is why 70-80% of FA moves don't work and half of those fail miserably. It is much smarter to keep and maybe “overpay” the core ‘cause you know what ya got and ya know they wont disrupt the culture. Spikes is only more known to us than Bradford ‘cause we only see their respective Sunday stuff; but I assure you GB's staff believes at least one of those ILBs is not a “maybe player.”


A few years ago Jones, Jennings, Driver and Nelson were really tight. The wives, kids holidays and personal lives were like an episode of Friends. Now, if GB signed the greatest WR, who was in his own right was a great guy and teammate; but simply had a personality clash w/ one of the four; that 5-some, though on paper the best in history, would probably be worse than the year before. And if the new WR was an egocentric tool, like Randy Moss, I guarantee the receiving core gets worse. What if Randy made a pass at Ms. Driver...LOL. We could replace Baktieri w/ Joe Thomas [Clev.] and if Joe wants to be the big cheese or a million other things could happen that would cause our OL would get worse even though consisting of better players. It’s better to bring rookies into this culture that might have some click to it; so the youngsters can grow into the ever evolving social clicks that always exist in varying degree.


You made a great point earlier that I forgot to applaud: its 100% true that Woodson and Harris helped make Tramon and Shields. If, EG, Spikes, will help make Thomas, Bradford and Palmer great, then it probably worth it to cut one and sign Spikes. Ever wonder why the least talented and most wounded in college became by far the best back of Lacy, Richardson and Ingram? Kuhn had a huge part! The culture is critical and huge part in developing players, they learn to conduct their football affairs like business men, that's why Ted Thompson steers clear of trouble on draft day.
DoddPower
10 years ago

Simply because a fan doesn't jump off a cliff because the Packers didn't or did make a transaction does not mean they feel the Packers do no wrong. I have not yet encountered a single Packers fan who did not question multiple transactions by the Packers.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Yeah, the anti-Ted Thompson crowd thinks that anyone that doesn't slam every move he makes automatically agrees with everything he does. I don't understand the black and white world those people live in. Things are never that simple. He makes many good moves, and he makes several bad moves. It's all about the bigger picture.

Year after year, the Packers are one of the best teams in the league. They have won as many or more championships than the vast majority of teams in the league during Ted Thompson tenure. What is it, only the Giants and Steelers have won more in championships in recent history? Unless you think all of that is ENTIRELY because of Aaron Rodgers (it's not), Ted Thompson can't be that bad at his job. Sure, Aaron Rodgers is she single biggest contributor to the Packers success. What great QB isn't? But there has been and continues to be many other talented players and coaches that help make the Packers what they have been and will continue to be.

Is he the best General Manager ever? Obviously not. I don't see many people saying that. But he's far from the worst.
sschind
10 years ago

True, Nerd.
Maybe if Mandarich wouldn't have been such a high pick, people wouldn't be so worked up about it. But he was, and he was the biggest draft bust the Packers ever had.
And of course hind sight( not takins Barry Sanders) adds to it.
But look at how many teams are kicking themselves for passing on Aaron Rodgers!

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 



Disagree with the biggest draft bust thing. Yes he was a high first rounder and didn't live up to the hype but at least he suited up and gave it an effort. Bruce Clark was the #4 overall pick in 1980 after apparently warning the Packers not to take him and they still did. He never signed with them. To me, picking a guy who says "don't take me I won't sign" is worse than picking a guy who everyone in the world thought was the best player to take at the time.

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