PackFanWithTwins
10 years ago

Are you a Raiders personnel guy? He's a linebacker, and you don't want them running forty yards lol. What's the shuttle speed? That's what counts at LB.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



If we wanted a slow ILB we could just keep AJ.
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beast
10 years ago
I don't know if he's any good but the most gushed about new ILB I've heard about this year was ILB Chris Borland from Wisconsin, talking about how great he's been for the 49ers ... NFL.Com say he ran a fast 4.83 in the 40 yard dash. Which kind of shows LBS don't need to 40 yard fast as much as good football player and 10 maybe 20 yards quick
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Yerko
10 years ago
Early thoughts on the position and draft are the already mentioned Denzel Perryman and Eric Kendricks out of UCLA. I like Kendricks a little better because he is bigger and plays faster. He can also cover a tight end or runningback. Both have some killer instinct in them. These two would require a 1st round pick.

If Packers go another route, I think they can keep Matthews in the hybrid another year and the other answer is Barrington. I think the guy has improved this season and will only get better with another offseason. With this, you can draft and develop another ILB such as Jake Ryan or Paul Dawson. However, I think this is a big drop off from the first two mentioned.

Getting a guy early is the best option, imo.

A side note here...

Packers can save $3.75 million by cutting Jones and $3.5 million by cutting Hawk. Just saying...:-"


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beast
10 years ago
Cowboys have a couple of talented LBers and they're tight against the cap limit as it is with a couple important guys to resign. Bruce Carter is very athletic and was something like 3rd in INTs this year. Some like he's extremely athletic but inconsistent against the run, sometimes great other times horrible. With Barrington being a beast against the run, I thought they might balance each other out. And maybe he could be nickel LBer.
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all_about_da_packers
10 years ago

Packers can save $3.75 million by cutting Jones and $3.5 million by cutting Hawk. Just saying...:-"

Originally Posted by: Yerko 



Interesting point. Bob McGinn wrote in an article towards the end that he expected the Packers to cut ties with both Hawk and Jones this off-season... I would think it is apparent to Ted / front-office both Hawk and Jones are way overpaid based on their play.

My guess on Ted's approach: FA signing and draft. I think Ted is going to target a sub-package player who is decent in coverage. A few years ago, he signed Brandon Chillar -- a relative unknown from the Rams drafted in the 4th round -- who (before his injury) covered TEs a lot better than any of our current ILB can. As for draft, Ted has not been shy targeting needs early on in the draft. An early pick would seem to make sense. Barrington, FA signing, pick, and holdover Carl Bradford should generate good competition. I imagine Clay will also be used at ILB in certain situations.


Outside the box solution: try and entice the 49ers to trade either Navorro Bowman or Patrick Willis. 49ers might want to do this to get something for a player at a position of strength (Chris Borland showed really well at ILB, and it'll be hard to get Bowman, Willis, and Borland regular snaps at ILB). 49ers likely don't want to trade a player to someone in the same conference, and I doubt they'd want to give up Bowman or Borland given both are so young... that leaves Willis, who is a risk given he is 30 and coming off an injury that ended his season. This is, pretty much, a pipe dream but it is something different than FA/Draft route.
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Zero2Cool
10 years ago
A.J. Hawk (31 yrs) $3.2 million
Brad Jones (28 yrs) $3.55 million

source: rotoworld


I'd trade the dollars from those two for Rolando McClain providing his concussion issue is not an issue.
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Mucky Tundra
10 years ago

A.J. Hawk (31 yrs) $3.2 million
Brad Jones (28 yrs) $3.55 million

source: rotoworld


I'd trade those two for Rolando McClain providing his concussion issue is not an issue.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



If you could find someone dumb enough to take those two then you're probably slick enough to sell ice to Eskimos
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PackFanWithTwins
10 years ago

A.J. Hawk (31 yrs) $3.2 million
Brad Jones (28 yrs) $3.55 million

source: rotoworld


I'd trade the dollars from those two for Rolando McClain providing his concussion issue is not an issue.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



As long as we have enough depth to cover for not having them, Letting them go would be a good move. I'm not comfortable that we would have the depth. I would probably release Jones, he only plays some pass coverage and he isn't very good at that either. I would cut and resign Hawk, his value as a player that is always available incase of injury, and his knowledge of the defense to help Barrington and the rest of the ILBs including Clay. Give him a 1 year or 2 year deal for maybe 1.5/yr which would take his cap hit from over 5 to about 3.
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PackerTraxx
10 years ago

Projected at a 4.7 40 he is going to need to find some speed.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



It is rare that an ILB will run a legit 4.6, 4.7 is good speed. Plus it would be much better to have an ILB that is smart and instinctive with 4.7 than one who runs 4.6 that's not instinctive. I would take Perryman or McKinney in a heartbeat. All other factors being equal I would take McKinney as he is a bigger and faster. We need to get stronger up the middle on D. I felt this way about the offense and now with a legit Center in Lindsley it has really helped. I believe a really good ILB could do the same on D.
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gbguy20
10 years ago

Interesting point. Bob McGinn wrote in an article towards the end that he expected the Packers to cut ties with both Hawk and Jones this off-season... I would think it is apparent to Ted / front-office both Hawk and Jones are way overpaid based on their play.

My guess on Ted's approach: FA signing and draft. I think Ted is going to target a sub-package player who is decent in coverage. A few years ago, he signed Brandon Chillar -- a relative unknown from the Rams drafted in the 4th round -- who (before his injury) covered TEs a lot better than any of our current ILB can. As for draft, Ted has not been shy targeting needs early on in the draft. An early pick would seem to make sense. Barrington, FA signing, pick, and holdover Carl Bradford should generate good competition. I imagine Clay will also be used at ILB in certain situations.


Outside the box solution: try and entice the 49ers to trade either Navorro Bowman or Patrick Willis. 49ers might want to do this to get something for a player at a position of strength (Chris Borland showed really well at ILB, and it'll be hard to get Bowman, Willis, and Borland regular snaps at ILB). 49ers likely don't want to trade a player to someone in the same conference, and I doubt they'd want to give up Bowman or Borland given both are so young... that leaves Willis, who is a risk given he is 30 and coming off an injury that ended his season. This is, pretty much, a pipe dream but it is something different than FA/Draft route.

Originally Posted by: all_about_da_packers 



During that year Brandon Chillar was considered our "coverage lber" he got burned over and over. Fucking overrated

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