earthquake
10 years ago

And now you're reading into the stat. Where is it said that this metric is for overall performance and/or efficiency? The title itself says "under pressure" and that is what this metric is gauging and does so accurately. This isn't saying one QB is better overall than the next. This is simply showing HOW the QB's perform WHILE under pressure. There's a distinction there. This isn't saying those QB's who perform better under pressure are overall better than those who do not.

I think I just spoke in a circle lol

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



I disagree, its showing one small subset of performance. Any stat that doesn't take TD:INT ratio into account won't give you an accurate picture of performance, under pressure or otherwise.

But I digress, I think there is interesting information here if you want to look at very specific performance metrics and don't care about overall performance. One interesting stat on that chart is HAT, where Rodgers has only been hit once while throwing. I think this points to his awareness skills and overall ability to protect the ball. This chart seems to show that QBs who are hit often while throwing have higher INT percentages.
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yooperfan
10 years ago
Stats, metrics or whatever suck.
The eye test tells me he's everything I want in a quarterback when under pressure.
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Zero2Cool
10 years ago

No, its showing one small subset of performance. Any stat that doesn't take TD:INT ratio into account won't give you an accurate picture of performance, under pressure or otherwise.

Originally Posted by: earthquake 



This is not a overall performance metric, again, as I have said already, it is simply showing how accurate the PASSES are from a QB while under pressure. That is it, that is all this metric is. It is not saying Jay Cutler is a better QB than Aaron Rodgers. It's simply saying that Cutler is throwing more accurate passes while under pressure than Rodgers. Even with that said, I would still take Rodgers over Cutler in any situation other than maybe who can fling it the furthest.

If a pass is accurate, it is accurate, period. Whether the WR takes it for a TD or not is not relevant to the accuracy of the pass.
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QCHuskerFan
10 years ago
Let's keep in mind that Jay has spent a lot of his career under pressure. It's to be expected that he would be a little better. Due to his massive amount of reps under pressure. 🙂
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yooperfan
10 years ago

Let's keep in mind that Jay has spent a lot of his career under pressure. It's to be expected that he would be a little better. Due to his massive amount of reps under pressure. :)

Originally Posted by: QCHuskerFan 



😆 I like that!

Rockmolder
10 years ago

Rodgers 6:1 td:int ratio is by far the best here, whatever ACC is, Brees at 2:7 TD:INT (by far the worst) leads in it, so it must not be a particularly useful stat.

Originally Posted by: earthquake 



Roethlisberger is at 9 TDs and 0 ints, for what it's worth. He just stands there when the pressure is coming. Also means he takes the most sacks.

This is not a overall performance metric, again, as I have said already, it is simply showing how accurate the PASSES are from a QB while under pressure. That is it, that is all this metric is. It is not saying Jay Cutler is a better QB than Aaron Rodgers. It's simply saying that Cutler is throwing more accurate passes while under pressure than Rodgers. Even with that said, I would still take Rodgers over Cutler in any situation other than maybe who can fling it the furthest.

If a pass is accurate, it is accurate, period. Whether the WR takes it for a TD or not is not relevant to the accuracy of the pass.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



The biggest thing a stat like this can't account for is playstyle.

Blitzing often results in pressure. Let's just say that 50% of pressure in these stats is caused by blitzes. When you blitz, you obviously roll over coverage somewhere in zone or have one on one match-ups in man.

When Rodgers sees one on one match-ups or a favorable zone defense, he's going deep.

That'd explain the lower completion percentage, accuracy and also the rather high amount of TDs, while still looking rather good against the blitz when you just watch him without stats.

Of course, this is all just speculation, but I've seen a guy like Tannehill or Fitzpatrick play and I'm pretty sure they're not better at reading defenses and/or have better accuracy.
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nerdmann
10 years ago
Awesome, maybe this will convince teams to blitz Aaron more. lol
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mi_keys
10 years ago
So where's the yards per attempt? Which of these quarterbacks is simply dumping it off versus trying to go deep or mid range? Completing 75% of your passes in this subset might not be better if they're largely dump offs for a couple yards versus getting first downs from hitting a crossing route 15-20 yards down field.
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nerdmann
10 years ago

So where's the yards per attempt? Which of these quarterbacks is simply dumping it off versus trying to go deep or mid range? Completing 75% of your passes in this subset might not be better if they're largely dump offs for a couple yards versus getting first downs from hitting a crossing route 15-20 yards down field.

Originally Posted by: mi_keys 



Surely you're not suggesting that Aaron is a stat whore.
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sschind
10 years ago

Let's keep in mind that Jay has spent a lot of his career under pressure. It's to be expected that he would be a little better. Due to his massive amount of reps under pressure. :)

Originally Posted by: QCHuskerFan 




That's the first thing I thought of when the Cutler/Rodgers comparison came up but you have to admit, with the way our line has been in recent years Rodgers has been under plenty of pressure as well.

What I find interesting about this graphic is the pressure %. I assume that is the number of times the QB is pressured when he drops back. Rodgers is 3rd lowest. This speaks pretty well for our offensive line I would think. Maybe even more than the sack percent because in this case I don't think the sack percent takes into account coverage sacks or sacks where the QB has had time he just doesn't get the pass off for whatever reason.
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