beast
10 years ago

He's going to insults... which tells he's just a troll playing games... and I fell for his stupid game.

Simple put Thompson is better than most of the GMs in the NFL and thank goodness we're no longer in any sort of cap trouble and being forced to cut important players because we're in cap troubles from over spending and not taking care of business. Thompson takes care of the Packers business so we don't have to worry about things like that.

[cheers]


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10 years ago

He's going to insults... which tells he's just a troll playing games... and I fell for his stupid game.

Simple put Thompson is better than most of the GMs in the NFL and thank goodness we're no longer in any sort of cap trouble and being forced to cut important players because we're in cap troubles from over spending and not taking care of business. Thompson takes care of the Packers business so we don't have to worry about things like that.

[cheers]

Originally Posted by: beast 



Give me the GM who can work a fax machine

It's a joke dont hurt me udfa [flapper]
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uffda udfa
10 years ago

Give me the GM who can work a fax machine

It's a joke dont hurt me udfa [flapper]

Originally Posted by: cheeseheads123 



Ha! 😆 No intention of being a jerk or hurting anyone...just not a fan of the internet guy who makes false statements to sound smart and then refuses to admit he made stuff up. and keeps on going with it.

BTW...not the GM's fault... It was Dumervil's now former agent's office who was tardy with the document not Elway.


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Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."


beast
10 years ago

who makes false statements to sound smart and then refuses to admit he made stuff up.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



I didn't make anything up... and it's not false. They had to cut him was because they needed more cap space. If not for cap space they wouldn't of had to cut him... even with the fax problem.

Now can you please stop the bad talk and name calling and move on? Or you going to keep going for the stupid low blows and name calling bs?



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uffda udfa
10 years ago

I didn't make anything up... and it's not false. They had to cut him was because they needed more cap space. If not for cap space they wouldn't of had to cut him... even with the fax problem.

Now can you please stop the bad talk and name calling and move on? Or you going to keep going for the stupid low blows and name calling bs?


Originally Posted by: beast 



What name have I called you? I had some fun with the digging yourself to China thing. Didn't start that way at all...just evolved based on your continuing heel digging on this issue you were wrong on from the get go. I said I didn't like your actions in how you portrayed the Dumervil situation one bit. I don't. Yes, beast, it BECAME a cap space issue only AFTER the paperwork wasn't sent in on time. The Dumervil situation is famous in the way T.O.'s deal with David Joseph and the Niners went down.

Dumervil's contract called for 12 million in cap dollars... The Broncos weren't going to pay him that, regardless of any situation. He wasn't worth 12 million based on market factors. Did the Broncos just "cut him for cap space"...No. Neither party wanted to sever the relationship. A reworked deal lowering his cap number was agreed to and Dumervil's people didn't get the signed agreement back in time. It was agreed to and signed...the cap space issue was dealt with by the restructure. The cap wasn't even relevant to the restructure in the sense that the Broncos weren't interested in paying him 12 mil regardless.

Do you not understand he wasn't just cut for cap space as you alleged. You said he was cut to make room for Welker. Welker had no bearing on his situation whatsoever.

If I was to put it into current Packers terms... Let's say the Packers aren't interested in paying over 30 starting CB Tramon Williams nearly 10 million dollars this season. The Packers decide they are moving on from Tramon unless he takes a pay cut because they don't feel he's worth 10 million. Say the Packers extend Jordy and there is only 5 million left in cap space to sign Randall. Tramon is willing to take 5 million this season instead of the near 10. That will create 10 million in cap for us... 5 mil left after Jordy + 5 mil extra for Tramon's restructure that isn't signed yet but is verbally agreed to. The Packers sign Randall and his cap number is 8 million this year. Well, with Tramon agreeing to a restructure we have 10 million... all of a sudden Tramon's agent doesn't get the paperwork back in time with his signed restructure...the Packers already have NFL official deals with Jordy and Randall. There isn't enough space left and they're out of time to be in cap compliance. What will happen to Tramon? Packers will be forced to release him against Tramon's and the Packers wishes all because the agent didn't get the paperwork back. The issue had nothing to do with Randall or Jordy or Tramon...it had everything to do with Tramon's agent dropping the ball. It also would have nothing to do with Julius Peppers signing. The Packers simply at no point and time were going to pay Tramon 10 million REGARDLESS of any other moving part. That was Dumervil's situation... Elway wasn't going to pay him 12 million NO MATTER WHAT. Both sides worked it out so he could stay. Agent drops ball.... you go on and on and on about this being a choice between Welker and Dumervil...then it was a choice between signing rookies or cutting him...then an act of aggression that backfired. None of the things you stated were accurate. Dumervil is a Bronco that season IF the agent doesn't screw up by getting the paperwork back too late.


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beast
10 years ago
Yeah honestly I didn't read a single word of your last post... just please stop referencing me in your post with negative remarks... We disagree... lots of people disagree... doesn't mean I'm lying, making anything up or what ever heck you have said... I'm tired the arguing and cheap shots... please move on. Thank you.
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mi_keys
10 years ago

But I do *expect* and *want* a team that doesn't just try to finesse things, that isn't just satisfied when they outplay the other guys. I want a team that strives to destroy the other team on both sides of the ball. A team whose players, to a man, on every play, look at the guy on the other side of the line with eyes that say, "I'm coming. I'm coming, and I'm going to beat you, and there's not a damn thing you can do about it. You may be stronger than me in the weight room. You may run away from me on the track. But right here, right now, my will is stronger than you, you pissant. And my will *will* be done!"

Originally Posted by: Wade 



This here is why I applauded your post. Love it. I want to see us start winning the line of scrimmage. I think it starts there. I want our offensive line to punch their defensive front in the mouth and tell them to get fucked 'cause they aren't getting near Rodgers. I want our defensive front to disembowel every opposing quarterback. Is it football season yet?
Born and bred a cheesehead
DoddPower
10 years ago

Yeah honestly I didn't read a single word of your last post... just please stop referencing me in your post with negative remarks... We disagree... lots of people disagree... doesn't mean I'm lying, making anything up or what ever heck you have said... I'm tired the arguing and cheap shots... please move on. Thank you.

Originally Posted by: beast 



Don't worry. I think several of us don't even bother reading most of what he says. We have learned from the error of our ways.
sschind
10 years ago
This has no bearing on the argument just an observation about Dumerville. If he had in fact agreed to a deal why couldn't he just resign after he was cut. Players do it all the time and it seems that he understood it wasn't the Broncos who wanted to cut him. It was his agents fault and he fired his agent right. He was cut and free to sign with anyone, he didn't have to clear waivers.

To me it sounds like Elvis never wanted to play for the Broncos and cooked up a scheme in which he gets to leave and make his agent look like the bad guy. He agreed to a deal, decided he changed his mind but didn't want to look like a prick and back out so he cooked up this scheme. Unless I am wrong about the details it vaults good old Elvis to the top of my world class pricks list. Even if he wan't in on it which he made it look like by firing his agent he still could have honored his agreement and signed with the Broncos.

Sorry for the detour

Now back to our regularly scheduled programming.
PWT36
10 years ago

This has no bearing on the argument just an observation about Dumerville. If he had in fact agreed to a deal why couldn't he just resign after he was cut. Players do it all the time and it seems that he understood it wasn't the Broncos who wanted to cut him. It was his agents fault and he fired his agent right. He was cut and free to sign with anyone, he didn't have to clear waivers.

To me it sounds like Elvis never wanted to play for the Broncos and cooked up a scheme in which he gets to leave and make his agent look like the bad guy. He agreed to a deal, decided he changed his mind but didn't want to look like a prick and back out so he cooked up this scheme. Unless I am wrong about the details it vaults good old Elvis to the top of my world class pricks list. Even if he wan't in on it which he made it look like by firing his agent he still could have honored his agreement and signed with the Broncos.

Sorry for the detour

Now back to our regularly scheduled programming.

Originally Posted by: sschind 





This website is about an Article on Elvis Dumervile's Broncos contract controversy.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/shutdown-corner/denver-broncos-elvis-dumervil-takes-considerable-pay-cut-201656213--nfl.html 
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Mucky Tundra (24-Dec) : Oh I know about Jacobs, I just couldn't pass up an opportunity to mimic Zero lol
buckeyepackfan (24-Dec) : Jacobs was just sat down, Watson re-injured that knee that kept him out 1 game earlier
buckeyepackfan (24-Dec) : I needed .14 that's. .14 points for the whole 4th quarter to win and go to the SB. Lol
Mucky Tundra (24-Dec) : Jacobs gonna be OK???
Zero2Cool (24-Dec) : Watson gonna be OK???
packerfanoutwest (24-Dec) : Inactives tonight for the Pack: Alexander- knee Bullard - ankle Williams - quad Walker -ankle Monk Heath
packerfanoutwest (24-Dec) : No Jaire, but hopefully the front 7 destroys the line of scrimmage & forces Rattler into a few passes to McKinney.
packerfanoutwest (24-Dec) : minny could be #1 seed and the Lions #5 seed
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : We'd have same Division and Conference records. Strength of schedule we edge them
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I just checked. What tie breaker?
bboystyle (23-Dec) : yes its possible but unlikely. If we do get the 5th, we face the NFCS winner
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : Ahh, ok.
bboystyle (23-Dec) : yes due to tie breaker
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I mean, unlikely, yes, but mathematically, 5th is possible by what I'm reading.
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : If Vikings lose out, Packers win out, Packers get 5th, right?
bboystyle (23-Dec) : Minny isnt going to lose out so 5th seed is out of the equation. We are playing for the 6th or 7th seed which makes no difference
Mucky Tundra (23-Dec) : beast, the ad revenue goes to the broadcast company but they gotta pay to air the game on their channel/network
beast (23-Dec) : If we win tonight the game is still relative in terms of 5th, 6th or 7th seed... win and it's 5th or 6th, lose and it's 6th or 7th
beast (23-Dec) : Mucky, I thought the ad revenue went to the broadcasting companies or the NFL, at least not directly
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I think the revenue share is moot, isn't it? That's the CBA an Salary Cap handling that.
bboystyle (23-Dec) : i mean game becomes irrelevant if we win tonight. Just a game where we are trying to play spoilers to Vikings chance at the #1 seed
Mucky Tundra (23-Dec) : beast, I would guess ad revenue from more eyes watching tv
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I would think it would hurt the home team because people would have to cancel last minute maybe? i dunno
beast (23-Dec) : I agree that it's BS for fans planning on going to the game. But how does it bring in more money? I'm guessing indirectly?
packerfanoutwest (23-Dec) : bs on flexing the game....they do it for the $$league$$, not the hometown fans
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I see what you did there Mucky
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : dammit. 3:25pm
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : Packers Vikings flexed to 3:35pm
Mucky Tundra (23-Dec) : Upon receiving the news about Luke Musgrave, I immediately fell to the ground
Mucky Tundra (23-Dec) : Yeah baby!
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : LUKE MUSGRAVE PLAYING TONIGHT~!~~~~WOWHOAAOHAOAA yah
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I wanna kill new QB's ... blitz the crap out of them.
beast (23-Dec) : Barry seemed to get too conservative against new QBs, Hafley doesn't have that issue
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : However, we seem to struggle vs new QB's
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : Should be moot point, cuz Packers should win tonight.
packerfanoutwest (23-Dec) : ok I stand corrected
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : Ok, yes, you are right. I see that now how they get 7th
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : 5th - Packers win out, Vikings lose out. Maybe?
beast (23-Dec) : Saying no to the 6th lock.
beast (23-Dec) : No, with the Commanders beating the Eagles, Packers could have a good chance of 6th or 7th unless the win out
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I think if Packers win, they are locked 6th with chance for 5th.
beast (23-Dec) : But it doesn't matter, as the Packers win surely win one of their remaining games
beast (23-Dec) : This is not complex, just someone doesn't want to believe reality
beast (23-Dec) : We already have told you... if Packers lose all their games (they won't, but if they did), and Buccaneers and Falcons win all theirs
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I posted it in that Packers and 1 seed thread
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I literally just said it.
packerfanoutwest (23-Dec) : show us a scenario where Pack don't get in? bet you can't
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