Why? For years and years all I ever heard was "what happens between two people in their own bedroom is their business"...that was the gay mantra for years and years.
Originally Posted by: uffda udfa
Which made sense in light of sodomy laws.
I would say EXACTLY it is NOT YOUR BUSINESS. Why do you care? Why is it your business?
Originally Posted by: uffda udfa
I don't. That's why I'm willing to let a gay person decide whether or not they want to tell other people he or she is gay. As I said, that's his or her prerogative (along with their partner, if we are talking about a relationship).
It sounds a bit hypocritical for you to tell me not to tell them what to do but you seem to say you wish for them to tell?
Originally Posted by: uffda udfa
Let me reiterate, it is their prerogative. I'm saying they should be free to choose whether or not they want to disclose their homosexuality. It should not be dictated by a third party either way (either for disclosure or against).
Name me one heterosexual in the world, minus gay rumors, that ever made a proclamation about their sexuality?
Originally Posted by: uffda udfa
Try almost everyone. Every time a guy says this is my girlfriend or this is my wife (or conversely a woman saying the same about a husband or boyfriend) they are necessarily declaring they are heterosexual. When you see certain public displays of affection between a man and a woman, they are necessarily declaring they are heterosexual. If you have a picture of your spouse of the opposite gender and your kids sitting at your desk at work, you are implying that you are heterosexual. When a group of guys or girls talk about the member of the opposite sex they met at the club the night before and that they might go out on a date with them, they are necessarily declaring they are heterosexual. For crying out loud, when you see a proposal at a game two people are declaring in front of an audience of tens, if not hundreds of thousands of people that they are heterosexual (I've yet to see a homosexual proposal at a game, though that doesn't mean there hasn't been one). People announce, verbally or otherwise, to crowds large and small, friends and strangers, that they are heterosexual all the time.
That was the whole point of bringing up players and their wives and girlfriends out in public. They are declaring that they are heterosexual whether or not they explicitly state it. And all of this before we even get to athletes who have very openly gone about their womanizing.
Bringing this up also ignores the fact that the base assumption about a persons sexual orientation will almost invariably be that he or she is heterosexual. That's what the vast majority of people are.
It's become like a top HS recruit announcing where they're going to college. It has become an obsession in this country to see people come out. That has been expressed in this very thread.
Originally Posted by: uffda udfa
And I'm not arguing the ideal is that we all devolve into mass euphoria every time someone comes out; but so long as people tell homosexuals they should keep their mouth shut, the reaction you're going to get is people applauding gays for asking to be treated the same.
That is no more right or wrong than my asking someone not to call some presser and tell the world they're gay. If Rodgers is gay, show up to the events with your boyfriend, as he may have done, and let that be it.
Originally Posted by: uffda udfa
No, it is wrong. If Tom Brady can show up at public events with Gisele, effectively announcing that he is straight; then a gay athlete can announce they are gay.
He doesn't talk about what he does with the women he's linked to and I'm great with that in the same way I am about the guys he's seen with.
Now, all of a sudden it has become "cool" to admit what you do in your bedroom with another. I was perfectly fine not knowing. I don't care...I don't want to know.
Originally Posted by: uffda udfa
And back to the "what happens between two people in their own bedroom is their business" argument for silence, which I wanted to return to for another reason: I have never once heard a gay person come out and immediately spill what their favorite sexual position, fetish or toy is. That just doesn't happen. And for all you know they're a virgin saving themselves for their future husband or life partner.
To praise someone for admitting they like sex with the same sex is one of the oddest phenomenons I've ever witnessed on this earth especially in light of the way gay folks used to want it which it was nobody's business. Now, they make it everyone's business and the world is supposed to fawn all over them about how brave they are? Right. What about all those years they didn't come out? How brave were they then? Plenty of others have now come out before them.
Originally Posted by: uffda udfa
They aren't praising them for enjoying sex with a certain group of people; they are praising them for refusing to be silenced.
I truly don't get it. I don't and won't.
Originally Posted by: uffda udfa
The first thing I've agreed with.
Why do I want him to wait, if he is? It will create a media circus not conducive to winning. The last thing I want to see is JC Tretter being asked how he feels having a gay man's hand on his rear end 50+ times a game and what about those delay of game penalties? It isn't right for anyone at their place of business to have to answer questions like that. I wouldn't want anyone asking me those kind of idiotic questions. What am I supposed to say? I marvel at how strong that person was for coming forward?
Originally Posted by: uffda udfa
So the premise is because others are bigots, and the media will feed off of that, a gay athlete should have to hide who they are... is that what you are saying?
Michael Sam has already come out and that media firestorm has died down already.
And as for questions to Tretter or anyone else about a gay teammate, I'm hoping they would say it makes absolute fuck all difference.
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