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Mucky Tundra
10 years ago
The Packers, under the illustrious leadership of GM/HC Mike "I'm hung like a field mouse for not going for that 4th and 1 vs the Eagles" Sherman, selected Ahmad Carroll and thus started the Draft from Hell.

Was 2004 Packers' Worst Draft Ever? 


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mi_keys
10 years ago
How Sherman wasn't fired the moment he moved up in the 3rd round to take a punter who couldn't punt is beyond me.
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10 years ago

The 2004 draft should also be remembered as the one where Sherman traded up at the end of the third round to grab Ohio State punter B.J. Sander



Clemson defensive tackle Donnell Washington, which Sherman also traded up to get, was picked at No. 72.



Whoever trades up to get a player is a moron. Oh wait that is a different thread. nm
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10 years ago
In the modern NFL I have not liked it when the HC is also the GM. When they gave the job to Sherman I knew it would not be long before he was let go.
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luigis
10 years ago
I can remember every single insult I created at that time.

Ahmad Carroll, Joey Thomas and then trade up for BJ Sander.

It's a serious candidate for worst draft in the universe.


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buckeyepackfan
10 years ago
I'm not defending Sherman here, but put the damn blame for the whole siyuation where it belongs, The Packer Upper Management, who decide that 1 person could be GM/HC.

Hell the reason Holmgren left was because he wanted more control and The Packers refused to give it to him, then they turn around and name Sherman GM/HC a year after naming him HC.

That was the great failed experiment that was going around The NFL at the time.

Let's not forget Mike McKenzie playing Diva and refusing to play, forcing Sherman to reach for Carrol and then Joey Thomas.

Let's not forget that injuries, and McKenzie's actions forced Carrol and Thomas into the starting rotation as rookies, WAY BEFORE THEY WERE READY.

Someone explain to me why Ted Thompson gave Sherman a 2 year extension on his contract 3 months before firing him?

Was that a "sorry Mike, The Packers really put the screws to you" parting gift?

Sherman wasn't a very good GM, but looking back after 10 years, it's easy to now say he was doomed to fail from the 1st day he was given the duel position, because NFL Teams now realize 2 men are needed.
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sschind
10 years ago

In the modern NFL I have not liked it when the HC is also the GM. When they gave the job to Sherman I knew it would not be long before he was let go.

Originally Posted by: wpr 




It's just too much for one guy to handle even if he is good at delegating. Besides they often have to wear opposing hats when it comes to players. As a GM you try like hell to trade a guy and can't then you have to expect him to work his ass off for you when you try to coach him. There needs to be that separation. Obviously they need to work very closely with each other but it is very difficult to do both. At least do both effectively.
Mucky Tundra
10 years ago
I'd be remiss if this picture didn't work its way into this thread (Granted it was from the 05 combine I think)

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nerdmann
10 years ago

I'm not defending Sherman here, but put the damn blame for the whole siyuation where it belongs, The Packer Upper Management, who decide that 1 person could be GM/HC.

Hell the reason Holmgren left was because he wanted more control and The Packers refused to give it to him, then they turn around and name Sherman GM/HC a year after naming him HC.

That was the great failed experiment that was going around The NFL at the time.

Let's not forget Mike McKenzie playing Diva and refusing to play, forcing Sherman to reach for Carrol and then Joey Thomas.

Let's not forget that injuries, and McKenzie's actions forced Carrol and Thomas into the starting rotation as rookies, WAY BEFORE THEY WERE READY.

Someone explain to me why Ted Thompson gave Sherman a 2 year extension on his contract 3 months before firing him?

Was that a "sorry Mike, The Packers really put the screws to you" parting gift?

Sherman wasn't a very good GM, but looking back after 10 years, it's easy to now say he was doomed to fail from the 1st day he was given the duel position, because NFL Teams now realize 2 men are needed.

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If Wolf would have hired a successor, that successor would have shitcanned Sherman right away. That's why Sherman got the title. He should have trusted his scouts more.

Wolf fucked up by hiring Ray Rhodes as HC. Well. He fucked up by lying to Holmgren about the job offer in Seattle. That's why Holmgren tanked the SB against the Broncos and bailed from GB.

Then Wolf hired Rhodes as replacement, without even an interview. This actually goes against what Wolf recommends in his book on management. Wolf thought highly of Rhodes, and justifiably so. PROBLEM. Rhodes had been in therapy. Years earlier, when coaching in Philly, Rhodes was quoted in the paper saying, "When you get beat at home, it's like someone breaking into your house and sodomizing your family in front of you." LOL.

Everyone freaked out. IT'S JUST A GAME RAY. So they made him get his head shrunk. After that, he was a 9 to 5er. Was never the same as a coach.

So Rhodes basically put the team in Favre's hands. When Rhodes was shitcanned after 1 year, no one with a resume would touch that job with a ten foot pole. So Wolf hired Sherman as HC. Had to reach a bit, because Sherman wasn't ready yet at the time. He'd grow into the job, but not before Wolf himself decided to hang it up.

At that point, you had to give Sherman at least another year or two. But if they brought in an outside GM, Sherman would have been sacked for sure.

Ted gave Sherman an extra year or two just as a "vote of confidence." Sherman wouldn't talk to or look at Ted, because his ego was too bruised. Had to go.

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Mucky Tundra
10 years ago

Wolf fucked up by hiring Ray Rhodes as HC. Well. He fucked up by lying to Holmgren about the job offer in Seattle. That's why Holmgren tanked the SB against the Broncos and bailed from GB.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Never heard the bit about Wolf, Holmgren and the Seattle job (or maybe I have and just blocked out that time period from the SB loss).
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Zero2Cool (23h) : If they'd been more patient with him, he'd be back already. Putting him out there vs Bears caused him to tweak it and here we are.
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packerfanoutwest (24-Dec) : minny could be #1 seed and the Lions #5 seed
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : We'd have same Division and Conference records. Strength of schedule we edge them
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bboystyle (23-Dec) : yes due to tie breaker
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I mean, unlikely, yes, but mathematically, 5th is possible by what I'm reading.
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : If Vikings lose out, Packers win out, Packers get 5th, right?
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Mucky Tundra (23-Dec) : beast, the ad revenue goes to the broadcast company but they gotta pay to air the game on their channel/network
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Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I think the revenue share is moot, isn't it? That's the CBA an Salary Cap handling that.
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