PackFanWithTwins
10 years ago
The idea of this thread was not about Rodgers age or ability. It is about how much better or worse the team around him will be because of the contracts that He and Matthews and at the time, Raji was expected to get in the near future. Right now we are looking, can the team afford to keep Cobb, Bulaga, Williams and the other FA on the team. If we had more money, that wouldn't be an issue and we could keep more better players.

The task of putting the most talented team around Rodgers was easier before Rodgers and Matthews got paid.
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68md
10 years ago
Interesting thread. Here is a stat making the 'window' look a little smaller still. NFCC Championship losers the following year. It is super tough to lose the game and come back which adds a year to Rodgers and even Matthews and Nelson. The window is small indeed.




2004 Falcons (2005 out of playoffs);
2005 Panthers (2006 out of playoffs);
2006 Saints (2007 out of playoffs);
2007 Packers (2008 out of playoffs);
2008 Eagles (2009 lost wildcard round);
2009 Vikings (2010 out of playoffs);
2010 Bears (2011 out of playoffs);
2011 49ers (2012 made Super Bowl);
2012 Falcons (2013 out of playoffs);
2013 49ers (2014 out of playoffs);
2014 Packers (2015??).
hardrocker950
10 years ago

Interesting thread. Here is a stat making the 'window' look a little smaller still. NFCC Championship losers the following year. It is super tough to lose the game and come back which adds a year to Rodgers and even Matthews and Nelson. The window is small indeed.




2004 Falcons (2005 out of playoffs);
2005 Panthers (2006 out of playoffs);
2006 Saints (2007 out of playoffs);
2007 Packers (2008 out of playoffs);
2008 Eagles (2009 lost wildcard round);
2009 Vikings (2010 out of playoffs);
2010 Bears (2011 out of playoffs);
2011 49ers (2012 made Super Bowl);
2012 Falcons (2013 out of playoffs);
2013 49ers (2014 out of playoffs);
2014 Packers (2015??).

Originally Posted by: wideside 



That is interesting, but I don't think that necessarily means they will miss the playoffs next season. I am more concerned with the effect that paying Cobb amd Bulaga (assuming they return) will have on the cap status. Due to large contracts, it makes it hard to have a complete team - Seattle will likely fall victim to this soon as well.

The deck is stacked against high caliber teams to keep things competitive, which unfortunately makes it tougher for teams like GB to stay top tier.
Pack93z
10 years ago

Much like Flacco's deal.. or Brady's.. Rodgers deal will be structured so that it allows the cap hit yearly to be manageable and something that will be reworked in the future.

That is not minimizing the impacts those contracts will have on our future, but it will be more in the terms of exchanging a Woodson and Pickett for a Matthews and Raji in terms of consumed cap hit. Additionally, Ted has married this team to his more or less building through the draft approach.. so for that window to be pushed even more open again.. he has to hit again this draft for fill in pieces and Mike McCarthy and co need to continue to develop from the past two draft classes.

Looking around the league, almost every contender past the Niners at the moment are having their windows adjusted more than ours. Maybe the Pats.

The nature of a flat cap and many teams pushing out cap hits over the past couple years. The Packers haven't done much of that.. and I don't expect much of it moving forward other than Rodgers.

The Packers have known these three players were coming up.. and entrust they have a plan to manage it and remain very much in the discussion for the Lombardi yearly.

Originally Posted by: Pack93z 



Still remains valid... we pick our spots of depth and contract weight, and recycle. Jones and Hawk will be adjusted/shed in place of Cobb, Bulaga, etc.

Ted continuously puts a team on the field that has enough pieces and depth to be competitive every season, much like this one. It is up to the players and coaching staff to capitalize on that.

We belonged on that field with the Seahawks, and had every opportunity to close the deal. The window remains kicked open.
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PackFanWithTwins
10 years ago

Ted continuously puts a team on the field that has enough pieces and depth to be competitive every season,

Originally Posted by: Pack93z 



I agree with this, Ted's strategy has kept this team competitive. But is that good enough?

We ended 2014 with between 7-8 million in cap space which we will be moving forward. Could we have used that money in 2014 to improve a position or two enough to had been the difference. It is to late to really know but looking forward.

With that cap spaced moved forward, based on the projected cap we will have 23 million. If we cut ties with Jones and Hawk, that will kick up to about 30 million. Assume we sign Cobb, Bulaga and Tramon, that will likely eat about 12-13 of that space for 2015. That will leave us in the neighborhood of 15-17 million.

Our hopes for SuperBowl 50 will be tied to improvement of Adams, Barrington and R.Rodgers along with hopefully that ILB we have been looking for happening to be there when we pick. Is being competitive and hoping things fall right for us what we want to settle for.

Or

Would it be better to take that available cap and fill our places of need with some veteran FA. What if the best players remaining when we pick are not ILB. Do we reach and grab a lower ILB to try in plug the whole, passing up on better talent because we have a need to fill.

If we had spent that money this year on an upgrade at ILB or kept James Jones, either is probably enough to have us in the SB. We have the money to be able to go for more than just competitive without risking the long term future of the team.


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DoddPower
10 years ago

If we had spent that money this year on an upgrade at ILB or kept James Jones, either is probably enough to have us in the SB. We have the money to be able to go for more than just competitive without risking the long term future of the team.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



The Packers didn't need James Jones or another ILB to get to the Super Bowl. They had the talent to beat the Seahawks, they just imploded and failed to do so. Of course a few better players would help. It always would, but they absolutely should have executed with the unit on the field.

Porforis
10 years ago

The Packers didn't need James Jones or another ILB to get to the Super Bowl. They had the talent to beat the Seahawks, they just imploded and failed to do so. Of course a few better players would help. It always would, but they absolutely should have executed with the unit on the field.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



In fact I think the only position at which the Packers clearly would have been better with someone, anyone but who we have at is TE, primarily this game. But pretty much everyone but Crosby contributed to this loss in a meaningful way. Talking about a 7-8M player making the difference is a huge what-if game.
PackFanWithTwins
10 years ago

The Packers didn't need James Jones or another ILB to get to the Super Bowl. They had the talent to beat the Seahawks, they just imploded and failed to do so. Of course a few better players would help. It always would, but they absolutely should have executed with the unit on the field.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



Since they didn't get to the SB it is hard to say they didn't need additional talent.

Speculation, but having Jones as #3 rather than Adams would have improved the offense which might have allowed us to score more resulting in a bigger score gap. Having Jones could have resulted in a better record changing the game from being in Seattle to GB. Same on the defensive side. Better ILB play would have stopped Seattle from scoring some, or giving us a better record.

With the amount of talent the team already has, I would rather spending a little more to try and improve our odds before we start losing some of these guys. We only have so long for Peppers. Neal and Perry, Daniels will all be coming up on contracts after this next season. With where this team is at, unless we get lucky we are not going to improve more just drafting and develop. With 22 starting positions, we are drafting to keep restocking. It will take something else to push the team a step further.
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DoddPower
10 years ago

Since they didn't get to the SB it is hard to say they didn't need additional talent.

Speculation, but having Jones as #3 rather than Adams would have improved the offense which might have allowed us to score more resulting in a bigger score gap. Having Jones could have resulted in a better record changing the game from being in Seattle to GB. Same on the defensive side. Better ILB play would have stopped Seattle from scoring some, or giving us a better record.

With the amount of talent the team already has, I would rather spending a little more to try and improve our odds before we start losing some of these guys. We only have so long for Peppers. Neal and Perry, Daniels will all be coming up on contracts after this next season. With where this team is at, unless we get lucky we are not going to improve more just drafting and develop. With 22 starting positions, we are drafting to keep restocking. It will take something else to push the team a step further.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



I'm not arguing that better talent wouldn't have helped. Of course it would. It always would. My point was that Green Bay had plenty of talent to win the NFC Championship game. But they didn't. I think they should have. Oh well.
gbguy20
10 years ago
I don't think the talent of the team had anything to do with our loss.
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