Do we start Flynn next week?· Page 3

steveishere
Veteran Member

11 years ago

ok .Tolzien was not great, bad choice of word. But at the same time most of you are putting the blame on a qb who just came off the practice squad 2 weeks ago.

Originally Posted by: packerfanoutwest

He may have a decent excuse for why he made them but he still deserves the blame for his mistakes. Nobody is saying to cut him or anything.

DarkaneRules
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#22

I expected more from him and our offense yet the red zone has been a thorn in our side all year. The teams we are playing are all trending up now, and what are we doing?

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buckeyepackfan
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#23

The "TEAM" lost, why is it so hard for some to accept that football is the "ultimate team sport"?

Putting blame on just this guy or that guy, is just crazy.

The defense could have played better, the offense could have played better, the coach could have called a better game.

The Packers are no worse off in the division after yesterdays loss.

The wild card is now looking very improbable, but The Division is still theirs for the taking.

I'm hoping Tolzien gets the start next week, he will be in Lambeau with the home crowd, he will have had another weeks work with the starters.

The guy seems to have a level head, I don't think a couple of bad passes in one game is going to send him spiralling down into T. J. Rubley land.

There is no guarantee Aaron will be back for The Detroit game, would rather have Tolzien starting there with a few weeks of work, than have to make another QB switch in the middle of the week.

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PackFanWithTwins
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#24

I don't think Tolzein played badly. He had one terrible play where he got his arm hit once while trying to throw, tried to recover and let the ball fly in panic resulting in the 3rd TD. But the game was already lost at that point. Even if he had just thrown the ball away, they are 14pts down with @2min remaining. The game was over on JPP freak INT/TD.

His first INT was not an overly bad either. He threw the ball to flat. Had he put a little more air on it, chances are they have a nice gain over the middle. That was another nice play by a defender.

And remember when Flynn had his starts, he has a mostly healthy offense around him. He had Jennings, Jones, Driver, Nelson, Finley(1of2). Tolzein is playing without one starting WR in Cobb and without Finely.

The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!

DarkaneRules
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#25

Agreed. This is why I have definitely tempered my expectations. Tolzein speaks with a very level-headed and authoritative tone. It is commendable, but it also probably had me a little too high for this game so my low was lower than it should have been. When it was all over, I shook the hands of Giants fans for a good game and hope another week of practice will give us the edge next week.

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play2win
Senior Member

11 years ago

#26

Nothing against Tolzien, but if we want to start winning games, we might want to start Flynn. If Flynn can get us a Win v MIN, then he would be prime for a return against DET - a team he crushed.

I would try Flynn this week. Tolzien just seems a bit prone to making some big mistakes. He simply hasn't been in the system long enough. Flynn knows it inside and out. I think Flynn gives us the best chance to win.

warhawk
Senior Member

11 years ago

#27

Tolzein will start.
They have invested this much time an faith in him and you would expect him to get better with every start. IMO it would be a monumental risk to go with Flynn now. It would be different if he had some PT under his belt at least somewhere.

I don't like second guessing signal calling but McCarthy could have helped him out by throwing the ball more when it was obvious that was working much better then running it.
I have no doubt Rodgers would have thrown the ball many more times the way this game played out so the question is why not help this kid out rather than making it harder on him to move the ball?

I also think they should have gone down field more often. He was not only hitting on those the passes were nearly always thrown where only the receiver had a chance to make the catch. In other words I never saw an under thrown deep ball. In fact most of these took a very good catch on the part of the receiver.

"The train is leaving the station."

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

11 years ago

#28

Ever notice that McCarthy rarely takes what the defense will give him? Seems kind of stubborn as if to say "No, this is what we game planned, this is the course we're taking!!"

8 or 9 in the box ... you have to see that and check out of the run play.

I'd rather win by adapting than lose by being pigheaded doing it "my" way.

sschind
Senior Member

11 years ago

#29

Originally Posted by: play2win

Flynn did crush the Lions but if you recall Stafford crushed our defense as well. Given the way things have been lately which do you think would be the more likely repeat.

As far as I am concerned its a horse apiece as for who gets the start. Tolzien didn't look horrible and he has been working with the #1s for longer so I would give him the nod but if Flynn looks really good in practice I'd be fine with starting him as well. The problem is MM has to pick one guy now and give him all the work. He can't afford to see which one practices better with the starters.

sschind
Senior Member

11 years ago

#30

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

McCarthy always seems to have a difficult time adjusting. We don't see it as much because when you are winning most of the time the idea is what is there to adjust? But when the other teams do adjust it comes back to bite us. Next to his clock management this is my biggest knock on him. Actually this may be bigger.

I'm not sure if it is that he can't adjust or he won't but I do think he is too good of a coach to say he can't. That means pigheaded and stubborn are two very good words to use to describe MM.

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