Time to Fire Dom Capers after Green Bay Packers’ defense quits· Page 2

PackFanWithTwins
Veteran Member

11 years ago

Yeah, but 3rd and 3 from the 5? Give the RB the ROCK!

3rd and 1 from the 24? Give the RB the ROCK!

3rd and 2 from the 17? Give the RB the ROCK!

1st and goal from the 9? You don't pass 3 times!!!

McCarthy laid a lot of pressure on his 3rd string QB calling THOSE plays. Jonathan Franklin rushed for over 100 yds against CIN, and has not really seen the field since on O. I do not get that.

Lacy has the most success running the ball to the left side of our OL. That was still in tact if I'm not mistaken. Why not keep running? Eventually they bust for a big gain.

44 pass attempts? Really?

Originally Posted by: play2win

Even running to the left is extremely difficult when the C->right are on backups. We ran good last week, until we lost Lang. we ran this week until the Line got shifted around again.

Continuity and Oline blocking is far more important than which back has the rock.

The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!

texaspackerbacker
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#12

Originally Posted by: play2win

First of all, what does this have to do with the topic - fire Capers or not?

Have you never heard of taking what the defense gives you? With wallace and even with Tolzien to some extent, the Eagles D was stacked to stop the run. After Lacy's early success, they adjusted even more that way.

1st and Goal at the Nine? If it was Aaron Rodgers, hell yeah I want to see three passes.

Jonathan Franklin basically found a hole for one big gain. Other than that, he has showed practically no vision and a tendency to fumble. Lacy and Starks are not just a little bit better, they are a LOT better.

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wpr
Preferred Member

11 years ago

#13

Is another coach going to keep our DBs from losing the WR or a ball bouncing up into the WR hands? Sorry but the defense played pretty well. Three TDs on long plays, one being a fluke. Three plays accounting for 130 of 228 passing yards. We still need a FS to replace Collins.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins

You can try and rationalize it all you want but giving up 200 yards rushing with a 5.5 avg per carry is NOT "the defense played pretty well." That is a crappy job. The only reason the passing yards were not more is because they didn't need to throw the ball.

Saying it was just 3 plays reminds me of Bart Starr when he was coach. He went to the stockholders meeting and said something to the effect that if 6 plays had gone their way they wouldn't have been a 6-10 team they would have been 12-4. (I don't remember their record but I know he picked 6 plays from 6 different games.) Anyone can do that but it fails to take into account what happens after those plays. It fails to take into consideration that the OTHER team can say the very same thing.

So Philly wouldn't have scored in 3 giant plays but it doesn't mean they still wouldn't have scored at all.

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

11 years ago

#14

Defense was horrible and that's an understatement. Defense had TWO blatant facemask penalties ignored by the officials in addition to failing to keep contain on the back end. They couldn't stop a 9 minute plus drive to give the offense another chance.

Fluke plays aren't fluke if they happen from week to week.

When you can't get off the field on 3rd down, you're going to lose more games than win. Especially when you can't get turnovers.

play2win
Senior Member

11 years ago

#15

1st and Goal at the Nine? If it was Aaron Rodgers, hell yeah I want to see three passes.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker

That's the problem. It wasn't Aaron Rodgers back there, but that's the way McCarthy called the game, as if he were still back there.

The whole point texaspackerbacker is coming away from these drives with ZERO points or a token FG is demoralizing to your own D, and the whole team for that matter.

We needed 3 yards, 1 yard, and 2 yards to keep those drives alive, and we passed every time with our 3rd string QB. That seems foolish to me. 1st and goal from the 9? and we don't even run? Wow. Even moreso. All deep in scoring territory. 3 out of 4 in the red zone. Foolish.

D stunk.

O stunk.

cheeseheads123
Member

11 years ago

#16

Originally Posted by: play2win

Yeah, i agree it should of been a run every 3rd and short. But other than that i didn't have too much of a problem with the play calling. I think it was more about how the game played out that put the pressure on Tolzien. The missed field goals, the eagles quick scores, injuries to the OL, the inability to run the ball, etc.

luigis
Member

11 years ago

#17

I agree and I can see Kevin Greene as our new DC.
Whitt and Perry should be fired too.

Luis

texaspackerbacker
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#18

The problem is NOT Capers. The problem is shoddy personnel - Thank you Ted Thompson.

The Packers simply are not capable of consistently manning up and playing basic defense. They NEED all those tricks and blitz packages, whatever. Do the "fire Capers" crowd not remember the days of whatshisname - Sanders? or the guy who came before him - that there was so-o-o-o much whining and complaining about because they featured bland defenses? Even then, the Packers lacked that basic toughness.

The problem is players like Raji and Brad Jones at the top of the list. Pickett is only even borderline if you compare him to Raji. Nick Perry hopefully will show something when healthy, but yesterday he was awful. Palmer was pathetic. Datone Jones and Neal improved from total crap to barely adequate yesterday, Clay Matthews wasn't himself playing one-armed. Our DBs have seemed to fail, but I suspect they are being asked to do too much with all the blitzing - necessary blitzing. Just the same, I saw Burnett mess up a few times, and the other Safeties mostly didn't even get close enough to see them mess up on TV. I used to criticize A. J. Hawk - justifiably, but he has really turned it around this season - all the way to where he is an average LB now.

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play2win
Senior Member

11 years ago

#19

Originally Posted by: cheeseheads123

Yeah, that's pretty much what I was driving at chesseheads123. Those were crucial points in the game, and each one McCarthy chose to pass instead of run.

What does that do to the confidence of your RBs and OL? Wow. Certainly not a confidence "builder."

Why not get Raji in the backfield on one or two of those as a lead blocker? We could have easily scored two more TDs that way….

cheeseheads123
Member

11 years ago

#20

Lovie Smith anyone? 😝

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