Packers sign Seneca Wallace to back up Aaron Rodgers· Page 8

play2win
Senior Member

11 years ago

Wolf did have some luck with back ups but he didn't draft one every year. Wolf drafted 6 back ups and traded for 1 in 9 years. which is only slightly more than Teds 5 QBs (though he also kept an undrafted player as a back up for a year).

Originally Posted by: steveishere

Hey, I didn't research all of Wolf's picks - just recalled it was more of an unwritten rule he held to. So in 8 yrs as GM he brought in 7 QBs? Point was that it was difficult even for him to find good ones, and he was considered to be one of the best.

Finding good QBs is hard. Add to the matter that Wolf's HC was one of the best ever at developing them.

mi_keys
Senior Member

11 years ago

#72

I am of the opinion that MM's developmental "system" is highly over rated and that he simply lucked out in getting Rodgers.
The evidence is becoming more clear as the years go by.

Originally Posted by: yooperfan

Rich Gannon, Matt Hasselback and Aaron Brooks would all disagree.

He doesn't have King Midas' touch with quarterbacks; no coach at any position ever has. However, there's nothing to sneeze at in playing a part in the development of three pro bowl quarterbacks, two of whom have won NFL MVP awards, as well as a fourth who had a fair few good years including leading the NFC in touchdowns in 2002 (Aaron Brooks).

I think you would be hard pressed to find too many coaches with a better record in developing quarterbacks because, well, to repeat play2in's sentiment: finding (and coaching) a good QB is hard.

Born and bred a cheesehead

steveishere
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#73

I am of the opinion that MM's developmental "system" is highly over rated and that he simply lucked out in getting Rodgers.
The evidence is becoming more clear as the years go by.

Originally Posted by: yooperfan

Well it isn't like the guys that MM failed to develop went on to any success elsewhere. Sometimes when a guy doesn't have it he just doesn't have it. Flynn sure looked a heck of a lot better under Mike than he has with anyone else though.

yooperfan
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#74

Originally Posted by: mi_keys

He may have coached those 3 quarterbacks at one time or another but to say he developed them is BS.

yooperfan
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#75

Well it isn't like the guys that Mike McCarthy failed to develop went on to any success elsewhere. Sometimes when a guy doesn't have it he just doesn't have it. Flynn sure looked a heck of a lot better under Mike than he has with anyone else though.

Originally Posted by: steveishere

Your first sentence makes my point and Flynn drives my point home.
He wasn't developed well enough to find a starting job even with a team that is desperate to find a starting QB.

nerdmann
Premier Member

11 years ago

#76

He may have coached those 3 quarterbacks at one time or another but to say he developed them is BS.

Originally Posted by: yooperfan

Gannon was a career journeyman until Mike got ahold of him.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

DoddPower
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#77

Your first sentence makes my point and Flynn drives my point home.
He wasn't developed well enough to find a starting job even with a team that is desperate to find a starting QB.

Originally Posted by: yooperfan

You mean a below average QB was made to look solid on the Packers playing under coach Mike McCarthy but doesn't look very good on an otherwise piss-poor team? Either that speaks to McCarthy's quarterback development skills or his coaching ability. Either way, it reflects well on McCarthy for being able to get the most out of the player. I don't see much negative for Mike McCarthy in the Flynn situation, at all. Quite the opposite, actually. You're reaching hard.

mi_keys
Senior Member

11 years ago

#78

He may have coached those 3 quarterbacks at one time or another but to say he developed them is BS.

Originally Posted by: yooperfan

If I wanted to go the coached at one point route I would have added Brett Favre and Joe Montana.

Both Gannon and Hasselback have gone on record stating McCarthy was a very influential catalyst to their successful careers. I'd imagine Brooks would say the same as McCarthy was Brooks' coach his first 6 years (rookie year in Green Bay and 5 years in New Orleans).

Born and bred a cheesehead

steveishere
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#79

Your first sentence makes my point and Flynn drives my point home.
He wasn't developed well enough to find a starting job even with a team that is desperate to find a starting QB.

Originally Posted by: yooperfan

Developing QBs isn't about taking guys who have no talent and magically making them talented. It's about getting a QB to reach their potential. Did Brohm, Harrell, Flynn, or even Rodgers have more potential than they've showed with MM? I doesn't seem like it. Now if a bunch of QBs had sucked with MM and went to another coach/system and reached a higher potential I'd agree with you but I don't really see any example of that happening.

sschind
Senior Member

11 years ago

#80

Developing QBs isn't about taking guys who have no talent and magically making them talented. It's about getting a QB to reach their potential. Did Brohm, Harrell, Flynn, or even Rodgers have more potential than they've showed with MM? I doesn't seem like it. Now if a bunch of QBs had sucked with Mike McCarthy and went to another coach/system and reached a higher potential I'd agree with you but I don't really see any example of that happening.

Originally Posted by: steveishere

You hit it right on the head. For a QB to make it in the NFL he has to have NFL caliber talent to begin with. He doesn't necessarily have to show it right away (that what development is for) but if he doesn't have it he probably isn't going to learn it. Whether you are talking about a high draft pick chosen as a franchise QB or a 7th round pick you hope to develop into a serviceable backup or perhaps even a starter and trade bait, no amount of development will bring out talent he doesn't have.

Take guys like Ryan Leaf or Jamarcus Russell. Were they just victims of a bad situation who would have developed nicely under the right mentor. I don't think so. Most of these guys try a few different systems and they still fail and that tells me that while they were great in college their talent, for whatever reason, didn't translate into the pro game.

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