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Offline steveishere  
#1 Posted : Thursday, December 12, 2013 8:13:21 AM(UTC)
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BJ Raji
Jermichael Finley
Ryan Pickett
James Jones
John Kuhn
Sam Shields
Andrew Quarless
Marshall Newhouse
EDS
Mike Neal
Rob Francois
Johnny Jolly
James Starks
CJ Wilson
Jamari Lattimore
MD Jennings
Seneca Wallace
Matt Flynn
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Offline steveishere  
#2 Posted : Thursday, December 12, 2013 8:27:15 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steveishere Go to Quoted Post
BJ Raji
*Jermichael Finley
Ryan Pickett
James Jones
John Kuhn
Sam Shields
Andrew Quarless
Marshall Newhouse
EDS
Mike Neal
Rob Francois
Johnny Jolly
James Starks
CJ Wilson
Jamari Lattimore
MD Jennings
Seneca Wallace
Matt Flynn


YES no matter what

YES if price is reasonable

OK if signed but FINE if we move on

GTFO

*I'd be happy to see Finley get healthy and keep playing for us but at this point I think he's done.

No matter what happens this teams is probably going to look pretty different next year. More than any other year to year recently.
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Offline QCHuskerFan  
#3 Posted : Thursday, December 12, 2013 8:32:47 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steveishere Go to Quoted Post

Jermichael Finley- if a reasonable amount, not top 5 money

James Jones- At any price, well, reasonable.

Sam Shields- At any price
Andrew Quarless- Yes!


Mike Neal- reasonable money

Johnny Jolly-
James Starks- backup money
CJ Wilson-backup money
Jamari Lattimore-backup money
MD Jennings-backup money

Matt Flynn- backup money


However, I don't know that Raji and Pickett can both be replaced in one year. I would probably move to resign 2 out of Raji, Pickett, Jolly and Wilson. Prone to go with cheaper options- Jolly and Wilson.

The others, well, can they be replaced cheaper? I think yes.
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#4 Posted : Thursday, December 12, 2013 8:51:19 AM(UTC)
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money and the 2014 draft will be a factor. presuming they sign a reasonable, with Uncle Teddy there is no other kind:

Ryan Pickett
James Jones
Sam Shields
Andrew Quarless
EDS
Mike Neal
Johnny Jolly
James Starks
Jamari Lattimore
Matt Flynn
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Offline TheKanataThrilla  
#5 Posted : Thursday, December 12, 2013 8:52:48 AM(UTC)
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I hope we re-sign:
James Jones (may be a bit expensive)
Sam Shields
Andrew Quarless
EDS(if a similar $$ contract can be reached)
Johnny Jolly
Jamari Lattimore
Matt Flynn


On the fence:
Ryan Pickett
Mike Neal
James Starks

The rest is Meh if the money makes sense and we have nobody coming up or have filled the spot in the draft. Raji I am really losing patience with. Thinking there must be something off the field going on. He wanted to be great a couple of years ago, I don't know what happened. I just hope other teams GMs see what we see and how he has declined.
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Offline Wade  
#6 Posted : Thursday, December 12, 2013 9:18:51 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steveishere Go to Quoted Post
BJ Raji
Jermichael Finley
Ryan Pickett
James Jones
John Kuhn
Sam Shields
Andrew Quarless
Marshall Newhouse
EDS
Mike Neal
Rob Francois
Johnny Jolly
James Starks
CJ Wilson
Jamari Lattimore
MD Jennings
Seneca Wallace
Matt Flynn


Pickett, Jones, Shields, Jolly -- these four should be top priorities.
Finley -- depends on status of injury. If good to go by doctors, yes.
Quarless -- yes if Finley not able to come back, probably even if he isn't.
Flynn, Francois, EDS, Lattimore -- want these, especially Lattimore and (assuming Ted Thompson does his usual non-emphasis on outside FAs) EDS.
Kuhn, Neal, Starks -- would be nice budget-type insurance.
Newhouse, Wilson, Jennings, Wallace -- only at minimum.


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Offline dhazer  
#7 Posted : Thursday, December 12, 2013 10:25:23 AM(UTC)
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BJ Raji = to much money for little productivity
Jermichael Finley = hope he retires to enjoy life
Ryan Pickett = if price is right for 1 or 2 years
James Jones = only if price is right
John Kuhn = does he still play lol
Sam Shields = yes he is our top back
Andrew Quarless = we have bostwick
Marshall Newhouse = seriously why would we
EDS = yes we need a center
Mike Neal = yes a good dline and shouldn't demand big money
Rob Francois = did he even play
Johnny Jolly = yes and I think he will sign for a decent amount to show thank you
James Starks = depends on the money
CJ Wilson = yes need bodies for that position
Jamari Lattimore = Big Yes I love his high motor
MD Jennings = not a chance
Seneca Wallace = seriously does this need an answer
Matt Flynn = we don't need noodle arm we have Tolzein with better skills and younger
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Offline PackFanWithTwins  
#8 Posted : Thursday, December 12, 2013 11:44:10 AM(UTC)
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I would bring them all back, if the price is right, and there lies the issue. How much is it going to cost to bring them back.

Those I wouldn't mind seeing go, Newhouse, Francois, Wilson, MD, Wallace and EDS (I don't dislike him but we need somebody bigger and/or stronger to anchor the C position.

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Offline Zero2Cool  
#9 Posted : Thursday, December 12, 2013 11:57:49 AM(UTC)
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These fellas should be re-signed to strengthen the core of the team and for depth.

  1. Johnny Jolly
  2. Jermichael Finley - if and only IF he's medically cleared.
  3. Evan Dietrich-Smith
  4. James Jones
  5. Sam Shields
  6. Mike Neal



These fellas will probably re-sign with a cap friendly number close to their value.

  1. CJ Wilson
  2. Andrew Quarless
  3. Jamari Lattimore




Will overprice themselves out of a locker with the Packers.

  1. BJ Raji
  2. John Kuhn
  3. Ryan Pickett



I don't see these boys being back in 2014

  1. Marshall Newhouse
  2. Rob Francois
  3. MD Jennings
  4. Seneca Wallace
  5. Matt Flynn
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Offline luigis  
#10 Posted : Thursday, December 12, 2013 11:58:02 AM(UTC)
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I want them back even if we have to spend some money:
James Jones
Sam Shields
Andrew Quarless

I would be ok with them if cheap:
Ryan Pickett
John Kuhn
EDS
Mike Neal
Rob Francois
Johnny Jolly
James Starks
Matt Flynn
Jamari Lattimore
CJ Wilson

I would like them out of my team:
BJ Raji
Marshall Newhouse
MD Jennings

They are already gone:

Jermichael Finley
Seneca Wallace
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Offline DarkaneRules  
#11 Posted : Thursday, December 12, 2013 12:12:14 PM(UTC)
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BJ Raji - YES. Probably a shock to people who hear how much I knock the guy. I know he has been up and down and mostly down lately but gosh I just don't see the team letting him go. Put him back to strictly nose guard in base and keep him out of nickel for most situations.

James Jones - YES. He is not like Jennings. Doesn't have #1 receiver mentality.

Sam Shields - YESYESYES. A thousand times yes.

Jermichael Finley - MAYBE. But who knows if this will be a Nick Collins situation.

Ryan Pickett - MAYBE. He is our Vince Wilfork. If you can get by with near vet minimum.

John Kuhn - YES. I think they just love the guy in our organization. He is their pride and joy.

James Starks - YES. Is Hill a long term player or just a reserve? Starks is our primary backup. Health will be determining factor.

Andrew Quarless - NO. I really like the guy but has other talent coming in behind him, which like Crabtree could make him expendable.

Marshall Newhouse - NO. Be gone sir.

EDS - MAYBE. A shock perhaps, but will rely on availability due to cap and the potential emergence of Tretter, and the health of GVR.

Mike Neal - YES. A swing LB / DL!? Yes please.

Johnny Jolly - YES. Vet minimum hopefully

CJ Wilson - NO. Don't see him making cut.

Rob Francois - MAYBE
Jamari Lattimore - MAYBE
One of those two. Availability from here to next off-season the factor. I like them both but the injuries are a problem.

MD Jennings - MAYBE. Backup player depending on next year's draft and Richardson's development.

Seneca Wallace - NO
Matt Flynn - NO
Prep Tolzien next off-season as primary backup.
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Offline texaspackerbacker  
#12 Posted : Thursday, December 12, 2013 1:07:21 PM(UTC)
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I was gonna say until I read the last post, I was pleased that NOBODY wanted to keep B.J. Raji. There was an old book about early compact cars, "Unsafe at Any Speed"; I would say about Raji, "don't re-sign him at any price". The D-Line will be just fine with Daniels, D. Jones, Jolly, maybe Neal back there, outside chance of Wilson, maybe Boyd, and 1 or 2 draft picks between rounds 1 and 4. Maybe even a decent quality free agent, since we are probably letting so many of our own go.

I concur with most of the posts - Shields is a must, Lattimore for sure, I make Quarless a must also. I think James Jones gets almost G. Jennings money somewhere else. Starks will be nice at the right price. I prefer Tolzien over Flynn.
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Offline DarkaneRules  
#13 Posted : Thursday, December 12, 2013 1:46:24 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker Go to Quoted Post
I was gonna say until I read the last post, I was pleased that NOBODY wanted to keep B.J. Raji. There was an old book about early compact cars, "Unsafe at Any Speed"; I would say about Raji, "don't re-sign him at any price". The D-Line will be just fine with Daniels, D. Jones, Jolly, maybe Neal back there, outside chance of Wilson, maybe Boyd, and 1 or 2 draft picks between rounds 1 and 4. Maybe even a decent quality free agent, since we are probably letting so many of our own go.

I concur with most of the posts - Shields is a must, Lattimore for sure, I make Quarless a must also. I think James Jones gets almost G. Jennings money somewhere else. Starks will be nice at the right price. I prefer Tolzien over Flynn.


Texas I think this is the first time a post here has made me look into potentially changing my mind.

I am putting my Yes on BJ Raji to a No.

exploring-the-future-of-packers-dl-bj-raji-during-a-contract-year

That article reminded me about an interview I listened to with BJ Raji before the draft. He said he wanted to play in a 4-3 and now I believe that he has certainly lost the desire to play in a 3-4.

I was, however, not aware that he declined Vince Wilfork type money. That is telling. He doesn't want to be our Vince Wilfork. I thought he did, but that balk will not favor him on our side and perhaps that was his intention all along...
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Offline texaspackerbacker  
#14 Posted : Thursday, December 12, 2013 2:21:06 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DarkaneRules Go to Quoted Post
Texas I think this is the first time a post here has made me look into potentially changing my mind.

I am putting my Yes on BJ Raji to a No.

exploring-the-future-of-packers-dl-bj-raji-during-a-contract-year

That article reminded me about an interview I listened to with BJ Raji before the draft. He said he wanted to play in a 4-3 and now I believe that he has certainly lost the desire to play in a 3-4.

I was, however, not aware that he declined Vince Wilfork type money. That is telling. He doesn't want to be our Vince Wilfork. I thought he did, but that balk will not favor him on our side and perhaps that was his intention all along...


hahahahaha You would be well advised to do that more often.

If Raji was even close to a Vince Wilfork type player, I wouldn't mind seeing him paid like that. I had such high hopes for Raji when we drafted him ......
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Offline nerdmann  
#15 Posted : Thursday, December 12, 2013 2:40:17 PM(UTC)
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BJ Raji-He might not get much of an offer, given his performance this year. You can't give him incentives, because his position doesn't call for generating stats. However, if you do bring him back, it has to be at NT.

Jermichael Finley-Stick a fork in him, he's done. Oh, what could have been!

Ryan Pickett-Possible 1 year deal. I feel like he's breaking down. Age might be catching up to him.

James Jones-Yeah, bring him back. Dude is a man.

John Kuhn-Too old for Ted. He's only still here, because of the rookies at RB. He's adequate at pass pro.

Sam Shields-Dude's gonna get paid. But to be here, he may have to give up his agent. Gonna be hard to sign him.

Andrew Quarless-He stepped up last week. If he shows he can do that regularly, he can up his value. Solid veteran.

Marshall Newhouse-Newhouse can play LT, but not RT. This is a team that likes versatility. Especially on the Oline. He might get a chance to make the team again, but he's not gonna break the bank.

EDS-He's earned a roster spot, but he'll have to re-earn the starter gig.

Mike Neal-Give him incentives based on # of sacks.

Rob Francois-He can cover. lol. Then again, we've got depth in the middle. Could lose out based on numbers.

Johnny Jolly-He's got another couple years in him. Good veteran influence on the field.

James Starks-I bring him back. It seems to me that the Packers coaches have never really liked him. He's F'd up in pass pro at times. Gets injured alot, although he's been pretty healthy this year. I like him as a utility back. Jack of all trades, master of none, but he's on a level above a guy like Ryan Grant. Not as good as Lacey though. Or Franklin, imo.

CJ Wilson-Good depth. Might need him.

Jamari Lattimore-Could push to start on the inside.

MD Jennings-Gone.

Seneca Wallace-Gone. Punked out when we needed him, like a bitch.

Matt Flynn-Gets a chance to be Aaron's career backup. Might still want a chance to start, though. He'll have to beat out Tolzien.
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