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Offline beast  
#16 Posted : Monday, June 24, 2013 12:48:45 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
I guess you could say the same thing for James Starks. His injury just "flared" up again .... and again ... and again.


I thought they were different injuries and not flare ups but like I said they've both been injured every single season they've been in the NFL so far.
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#17 Posted : Monday, June 24, 2013 4:48:36 PM(UTC)
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The same injury flaring up is the same injury.

Wow, does that even need to be said?

That is along the lines of don't use a hair dryer in the shower.
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#18 Posted : Monday, June 24, 2013 5:02:59 PM(UTC)
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I suppose the real question about who the Packers will cut next is What do the Vikings still need?
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#19 Posted : Monday, June 24, 2013 5:15:00 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: OlHoss1884 Go to Quoted Post
I suppose the real question about who the Packers will cut next is What do the Vikings still need?

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#20 Posted : Tuesday, June 25, 2013 5:34:05 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister Go to Quoted Post
The same injury flaring up is the same injury.


Yes it's the same injury but you're using logic is over simplifying it by implying that means it's any better.

QB Brett Favre got lots of injuries but didn't miss a game.

DT Harrell got a couple injuries, mainly his back injury which kept flaring up year after year after year... but by your standards it's only one injury. So Favre got injured a lot more often.


That (while extreme) proves it's not by the number of injuries.


You did bring up a great way to look at it in games and years.

Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister Go to Quoted Post
Starks has only played 22 games in 3 years.


And facts are career wise Green has averaged 8 games a season while Starks averages 7.333 which isn't a huge difference.

In the last two years Green has averaged 8 games a season while Starks averages 9.5 games a season.


It's about available and playing level... not number of injuries...and the fact is their available has been about the same (poor).

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#21 Posted : Tuesday, June 25, 2013 5:44:22 AM(UTC)
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There's a big difference to being hurt and being injured. Brett Favre was hurt, not injured. You can play hurt. You can't play injured.

So they say anyway. I don't know how putting a cast on a broken wrist falls into the "hurt" category, but I don't make the rules.

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#22 Posted : Tuesday, June 25, 2013 6:07:02 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: OlHoss1884 Go to Quoted Post
I suppose the real question about who the Packers will cut next is What do the Vikings still need?


You mean besides a QB?

As far as the topic goes I have to go with the trend and say Starks followed by Kuhn. Starks for the injury problems, Kuhn for Lacy swiping his short yard carries and I think DJ Williams nabs his blocking duties as H-back this year.
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#23 Posted : Tuesday, June 25, 2013 7:36:56 AM(UTC)
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There's a LOT of guys gonna go for a lot of reasons - being injury-prone (Starks), being overpaid (Kuhn), being at the bottom end of a crowded position (D.J. Williams - I'm thinking Ryan Taylor is better than D.J.), etc.

The primary reason so many are gonna be gone is that Ted Thompson is bringing in a bumper crop of newcomers. Hopefully he/they can wangle ways to keep as many of those as possible, as 53 just doesn't begin to satisfy the number of talented players they will have in camp.
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#24 Posted : Tuesday, June 25, 2013 7:39:17 AM(UTC)
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I wonder if Giorgio Tavecchio will steal a roster spot from Mason Crosby...?

Crosby is one hell of a kicker, if you take away last season. He has our 3 longest FGs in franchise history. Looking through all of his records and stats, he has been remarkable, if you take away last season.

Could that one bad season, coupled with a high price tag, do him in? It is possible.

Tavecchio finished his last season at Cal hitting 87% of his FGs, a single season school record, making 20 of 23. He averaged just above 60 yds on his KOs for his career, but has booted 25 KOs in his career over 70 yds. His career long FG at Cal was 54 yds.

He might not have the consistency for distance Crosby does on KOs, but they may deem that a wash with Tavecchio coming in at a far lower price. Last year scared the crap out of me the way Mason fell apart. Those are important points, points that we did not score.

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#25 Posted : Tuesday, June 25, 2013 10:10:51 AM(UTC)
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Crosby or Tavecchio?
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#26 Posted : Tuesday, June 25, 2013 10:39:25 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: yooperfan Go to Quoted Post
Crosby or Tavecchio?
Be careful what you wish for!


Oh, I know... I'm not pulling for one or the other, just wondering how this plays out. Take away last season, and Mason Crosby was quite good.
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#27 Posted : Tuesday, June 25, 2013 12:20:47 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
Oh, I know... I'm not pulling for one or the other, just wondering how this plays out. Take away last season, and Mason Crosby was quite good.


I like a kicker who an put the ball in the end zone on a consistent basis in addition to making his fg attempts. At least from 45 yards and in (35 yard line).

I prefer to go for the first down when they are out around the 40 and punt when they are at the 45 and beyond.
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#28 Posted : Tuesday, June 25, 2013 3:07:20 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker Go to Quoted Post
There's a LOT of guys gonna go for a lot of reasons - being injury-prone (Starks), being overpaid (Kuhn), being at the bottom end of a crowded position (D.J. Williams - I'm thinking Ryan Taylor is better than D.J.), etc.

The primary reason so many are gonna be gone is that Ted Thompson is bringing in a bumper crop of newcomers. Hopefully he/they can wangle ways to keep as many of those as possible, as 53 just doesn't begin to satisfy the number of talented players they will have in camp.


This is Williams and Taylors last TC to show they can play.

If they don't step up, they both end up as Vikings and Stoneburner makes the team, behind Finley, Quarless and Mulligan.
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#29 Posted : Tuesday, June 25, 2013 4:14:22 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
This is Williams and Taylors last TC to show they can play.

If they don't step up, they both end up as Vikings and Stoneburner makes the team, behind Finley, Quarless and Mulligan.


They are not really battling for a TE spot so much as a ST spot.
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#30 Posted : Tuesday, June 25, 2013 5:21:56 PM(UTC)
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The Packer Way is to base who makes it on what they are likely to do, not on what their history is, necessarily. In the Straks vs. Green debate, certainly at least one will get cut, but who that is will depend on who shows he is likely to have more value going forward. For what he offers the team, I see Kuhn as overpaid, but who replaces him if he's cut? I know they signed an UFA fullback and maybe Quarless is the goal-line blocker in the backfield but is that where they go? Is Tavecchio a better risk than Crosby?

Part of how the team has kept itself out of salary cap trouble all these years is not overpaying people for past performance and going with new players when the risk vs. reward seemed better...a la Jones over Bishop.
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