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Offline play2win  
#31 Posted : Tuesday, May 7, 2013 7:19:05 AM(UTC)
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Oh, my... and it just gets better, and better...
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#32 Posted : Tuesday, May 7, 2013 4:38:33 PM(UTC)
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If Woody is better than what we have and he is willing to play for us for a reasonable amount the should be here. Giving player PT and hoping they develop is for teams that are rebuilding. To use a George Allen quote "the future is now". That will be true for us as long as Rodgers keeps playing at a high level.
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#33 Posted : Wednesday, May 8, 2013 4:57:36 AM(UTC)
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How fast players can fall from the ranks, look at Woodson with Green Bay and I was just reading that Nnamdi Asomugha has to fight for a roster spot with the 49ers. To think just a few years ago these 2 guys were the studs in the secondary
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Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be :)
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Offline DakotaT  
#34 Posted : Wednesday, May 8, 2013 5:32:14 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PackerTraxx Go to Quoted Post
If Woody is better than what we have and he is willing to play for us for a reasonable amount the should be here. Giving player PT and hoping they develop is for teams that are rebuilding. To use a George Allen quote "the future is now". That will be true for us as long as Rodgers keeps playing at a high level.


Doesn't the concept of playing the younger guy so that he gets better ever resonate against this line of thinking? Does Wood even have a good year left in him? I remember last year when Wood was injured and the Packers were on a winning streak, nobody even wanted him back on the field because Jennings and McMillian were getting it done. It's a tough call either way, but I think the Packers have moved on and are happy with their young safeties.
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#35 Posted : Wednesday, May 8, 2013 7:47:35 AM(UTC)
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The only two things that would make me want to see Woodson back on the Packers are...
1. Injuries to DBs leaving the Packers with no other options.
2. Taking a gigantic paycut. I am sure there will be another team in need of a corner soon that would be willing to pay Woodson more money than the Packers would.

I applaud everything Woodson has done for the Packers. The one thing the Packers will miss greatly is his leadership and locker room presence. No one on the defense will be able to fill those two voids immediately. Now his play is different. It has declined so much that there a numerous guys on the roster that can play at a higher/better level than Woodson. Signing Woodson just because he is still out there would hinder the development of all these young players trying to secure their starting position.

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#36 Posted : Wednesday, May 8, 2013 9:11:04 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Yerko Go to Quoted Post
The only two things that would make me want to see Woodson back on the Packers are...
1. Injuries to DBs leaving the Packers with no other options.
2. Taking a gigantic paycut. I am sure there will be another team in need of a corner soon that would be willing to pay Woodson more money than the Packers would.

I applaud everything Woodson has done for the Packers. The one thing the Packers will miss greatly is his leadership and locker room presence. No one on the defense will be able to fill those two voids immediately. Now his play is different. It has declined so much that there a numerous guys on the roster that can play at a higher/better level than Woodson. Signing Woodson just because he is still out there would hinder the development of all these young players trying to secure their starting position.



From what I have read from most here your opinion is right on.

Nobody wants the young guys cut, nobody wants Woodson back at a high price.

Just some on here can't comprehend the scenario that if there are multiple injuries and there is a need for a Safety, Charles Woodson would be the best 1st option, a better option than a rookie or a UDFA.

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Offline play2win  
#37 Posted : Wednesday, May 8, 2013 11:17:22 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Yerko Go to Quoted Post
The only two things that would make me want to see Woodson back on the Packers are...
1. Injuries to DBs leaving the Packers with no other options.
2. Taking a gigantic paycut. I am sure there will be another team in need of a corner soon that would be willing to pay Woodson more money than the Packers would.

I applaud everything Woodson has done for the Packers. The one thing the Packers will miss greatly is his leadership and locker room presence. No one on the defense will be able to fill those two voids immediately. Now his play is different. It has declined so much that there a numerous guys on the roster that can play at a higher/better level than Woodson. Signing Woodson just because he is still out there would hinder the development of all these young players trying to secure their starting position.



I don't know about this Yerko. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, and I agree with much of what you are saying here.

To me, Charles Woodson brings more onto the field than the ability to play a position. You mentioned the leadership qualities and locker room presence. I've often thought he would be one of those types to take a younger player under his wing so to speak, and show him how the game is played at this level.

Last season, I realized Charles Woodson does not work this way. It was in an article I read somewhere, and he said he wasn't there to show these younger players anything. No extra time with them, giving pointers on technique, etc. I wish I had a link, but it was something written last season. I was kind of shocked.

Then, I realized his leadership is more through example. How he plays. How he practices. How he prepares.

I do think the guy was slightly miscast in Capers' system, just during last season, maybe a little towards the end of 2011. His wheels are not what they once were, and it affected his ability to stay with a WR in coverage. He's been playing a hybrid CB/S position in the system, and it worked great when he was on top of his CB skills, and he had the ability to run with other younger WRs - because he could tackle like nobody's business. Last season, it was readily apparent that he lost that speed, but Capers kept positioning him in that same capacity. He often got flagged for holding or pass interference in his attempts to stay with these younger players in coverage.

Now, I do believe he would be better as a pure SS. His ability to snuff out a run is still as keen as anyone in the game, and he can stop a RB, usually at the line. He still has enough speed to hang with many TEs, which he could find himself getting a big dose of at SS. He still blew up plays behind the line of scrimmage last year.

If Capers wants to continue using a hybrid CB/S in his defense, he ought to use one of the younger guys there, someone with good cover skills who can tackle. McMillian comes to mind as a possibility. So does the newly signed UDFA Dame Smith. I think that would be far more dynamic for our defense, and more effective in covering both the run and the TEs releasing through the secondary.

Woodson's innate sense of where a play is going and his ability to snuff it out is still there. I just don't think he should be playing any kind of CB anymore. He may transition really well to SS. If he did come back at a reasonable price to do this, I would be pretty happy about it.
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#38 Posted : Wednesday, May 8, 2013 11:24:52 AM(UTC)
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I really hope to see Woody on the field...

... when he is inducted to the Packer HOF.


Otherwise, no. He's old, slow, beat up, and expensive. Other than that, of course, he's perfect.
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#39 Posted : Wednesday, May 8, 2013 11:57:32 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
Doesn't the concept of playing the younger guy so that he gets better ever resonate against this line of thinking? Does Wood even have a good year left in him? I remember last year when Wood was injured and the Packers were on a winning streak, nobody even wanted him back on the field because Jennings and McMillian were getting it done. It's a tough call either way, but I think the Packers have moved on and are happy with their young safeties.


If the younger player is playing at a similar level of course you would go with him because of years left and his upside. But if mgm't determines Woody would clearly be better, then Woody would be the logical choice. This is, of course, assuming a workable contract. We will have to be very lucky to follow Rodgers with a third in a row HOF QB so we need to move to win now. These decisions are why Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy get paid slightly more than us.
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#40 Posted : Wednesday, May 8, 2013 2:05:16 PM(UTC)
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I do think there is a lot of sentiment involved in discussing the possibility of his return to GB. That, and we should be just fine without him. We have the talent to get the job done. Like Traxx said, if the staff feels they are best off having him return at what I would imagine to be a decent price, fine. I would be happy to see that.
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#41 Posted : Wednesday, May 8, 2013 2:28:56 PM(UTC)
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I think his slowness is overrated. However, his tendency to get broken collar bones isn't, and it seems like the Packers are stricter than some other teams in their medical exams to pass.

I think Woodson could play in spots and be a real asset. I'd hate to see a good young prospect kept out of the lineup or cut for him though. Looking at the numbers - Burnet, McMillian, Jennings, Sean Whatshisname, that UDFA Erickson or whatever, and more good Corners than you can count, some of whom might switch to Safety, not to even mention Jarrett Bush, I doubt Woodson is signed.
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Offline Yerko  
#42 Posted : Wednesday, May 8, 2013 3:16:24 PM(UTC)
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Just to add more to the discussion here...there is the potential Micah Hyde addition to S. I know he was drafted as a CB, but he has some experience at the safety position.

Its safe to say I think the Packers can take their time on a decision such as this with all these other players and their potential. I don't think it will come to having to sign Woodson and I don't think Woodson is going to take a big paycut.
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Offline play2win  
#43 Posted : Thursday, May 9, 2013 4:55:19 AM(UTC)
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Yeah, depending on how Richardson works out, and how much McMillian can advance yr. two, we could be in very good shape at Safety.

Ted rarely goes backwards with his personnel moves. Woodson could be a bit different due to the enormous salary he had. We'll see.
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#44 Posted : Thursday, May 9, 2013 9:07:37 AM(UTC)
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I think Woodson will have to take a big pay cut...where ever he plays.
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#45 Posted : Thursday, May 9, 2013 9:32:29 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PackerTraxx Go to Quoted Post
I think Woodson will have to take a big pay cut...where ever he plays.


If he does play, will be a pay increase over what he is currently getting. I do not believe money is an issue with Charles Woodson, as he has said he wants to play for a contender. That makes me think he'll probably be shelved until an injury.
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