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Offline Gaycandybacon  
#16 Posted : Friday, May 3, 2013 9:09:08 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
Yes.. I do think walking Campen now would be the best thing. Actually the only thing that will fix this unit for the balance of Mike McCarthy time here and or Rodgers.

I am not opposed to moving Bulaga to his nature position and one in which he was drafted to do.. left tackle. I believe it should have been done in 2011 or at worst last season if they were going to do so. Or if they felt Sherrod was a better long term fit, then what has changed if they have confidence he can return? Personally now, I think they are also hampering Newhouse's development as a tackle, if that is what they see him as.

But now they are going to basically start completely over.. which is even fine if it can be done effectively. There is the rub, Campen was the one that put together the current positioning and it has failed. He failed to develop prospect after prospect, yearly we see breakdown after breakdown in stunt pickups and reads.

Yearly they move guys around.. at least the past three years they left the right side alone for the most part and it became the strongest part of the unit. Not a coincidence.

So we are going to enter camp without a single player returning to the same position as last season.. EDS may find a home at Center instead of playing all three inside spots.

If you are going to start fresh, all I am saying is start fresh with a new position coach that actually can build a unit.

So yes, I suggest today to walk him from the position and find a candidate that can do the job. Because this solution hasn't proven to be successful.. jumbling the positions again is just another sign that it hasn't worked.

And if Mike McCarthy did force this move as suggested.. what further evidence does one need?


I'm no offensive line genius, but all the O-Line needs to do is keep 5 guys healthy this year to be successful. That's it. I think the coaches like I said want to put the players in their best position to play well. As well as see if they can play better at another position. The thing that is bright about this offensive line is versatility.
Offline Pack93z  
#17 Posted : Friday, May 3, 2013 9:38:49 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Gaycandybacon Go to Quoted Post
I'm no offensive line genius, but all the O-Line needs to do is keep 5 guys healthy this year to be successful. That's it. I think the coaches like I said want to put the players in their best position to play well. As well as see if they can play better at another position. The thing that is bright about this offensive line is versatility.


Neither am I an genius nor expert... but it boils down to this simple principle in life. If I am failing at my job, I expect a certain amount of time to resolve the issue. If I cannot correct it, I expect to be replaced from those responsibilities or given assistance to correct it at a minimum.

The beauty of sports, or part of it, is that it is a business in which it is visible for the world to see.

And time after time, Campen's units have failed to live up to the standards put forth. Yes, some of that is play call related as it gives the advantage to the defense, but in the same regard, if the oline was blowing holes open, we probably would see more runs.

We have seen prospect after prospect trotted in to GB, some drafted, some FA, some UDFA. But guess what, other teams have the same playing field.. and they yearly manage to put out good products at offensive line.

Hence the frustration.. it isn't the moves really. It is the fact that we again are forced to play switcheroo because of the inability of the position coaches on the offensive line to build a unit. We can talk about injuries there.. but yearly we have struggled with the starting 5 as well. Think back to 07, or 08. Same thing.. different year.

And it is not that we haven't had the talent available.. they have played well in stretches.. but lack consistency and focus over the term. It screams coaching.
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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Offline play2win  
#18 Posted : Friday, May 3, 2013 9:45:09 AM(UTC)
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Is Russ Grimm available? I don't see him listed anywhere on a staff. He did great with the Cardinals early with Edgerrin James and Kurt Warner. He's got to be better than Campen.

Bob Wylie looks to be available. Improved the Raiders line in 2011 from 29th to 4th in total sacks allowed. Don't know about the run blocking there.

We could raid the college ranks too.

Rick Trickett from Florida State knows a thing or two about zone blocking...

Hell, hire Alex Gibbs as a consultant!!! Why not?

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Offline Pack93z  
#19 Posted : Friday, May 3, 2013 10:11:19 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
Is Russ Grimm available? I don't see him listed anywhere on a staff. He did great with the Cardinals early with Edgerrin James and Kurt Warner. He's got to be better than Campen.

Bob Wylie looks to be available. Improved the Raiders line in 2011 from 29th to 4th in total sacks allowed. Don't know about the run blocking there.

We could raid the college ranks too.

Rick Trickett from Florida State knows a thing or two about zone blocking...

Hell, hire Alex Gibbs as a consultant!!! Why not?


Yeah.. A while back I ran through a list of guys and posted them as guys that I would see as significant upgrades.. even now, a offensive line coach would have time to digest the playbook and install protection schemes.

If that were to happen.. personally, I am a ton happier with a juggle knowing that someone might have a plan short and long term for a productive offensive line.
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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Offline Wade  
#20 Posted : Friday, May 3, 2013 11:18:16 AM(UTC)
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I think Newhouse will be solid at RT. I'd prefer him there anyway. I think it's actually an upgrade. Therefore, I have no problem with that part of the move....except...

as most people know, I think Bulaga overrated. I think he was overrated at RT, especially against the pass, and I am not re-assured by the idea of him being the starting LT. This really scares me, and I don't care that it was the position he played at Iowa. I just don't think he's as good as everyone seems to think.

I don't know the differences in switching from one guard position to the other. So I don't know if this is going to be a significant thing for Sitton or not. He's definitely going to be an improvement over Lang.

But this points out, again, why I wish Ted Thompson was willing to gamble once in a while on tier 1/tier 2 OL in free agency. Because now we have, IMO, questions about all five of the OL starting positions:

LT: Will Bulaga make the switch and realize the potential everyone but me sees in him?
LG: Will Sitton play as well at LG as he did at RG?
C: Will EDS be good enough as a season-long starter?
RG: Will Lang play better than mediocre on the right side when he was mediocre on the left.
RT: Will Newhouse play better on the right side than the inconsistent sometimes good/sometimes bad/generally serviceable he played on the left.
And will anyone else show enough to transplant any of the four players who have, IMO, been at best "serviceable w/potential" in the past.

Maybe it's all Campen's fault. I never know how you are supposed to decide between whether its bad coaching or limited ability/bad scouting of "potential," or whatever. I only know that I find myself going through another offseason wondering whether 2013 is going to be another year where the OL is the weak link.

I only know that, unless something improves performance-wise on the line, onne of these years, instead of Rodgers bailing out the OL with his running/scrambling ability, we're going to see him missing several games to an ankle, a knee, or a concussion. Or worse.




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Offline Gaycandybacon  
#21 Posted : Friday, May 3, 2013 11:46:41 AM(UTC)
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I have to look at this like it's a team game. You know, the coaches coach the players, the O-Line blocks for the QB/RB, the running backs have to pick up blitzes, the Tight ends have to block for the QB/RB, and the WRs have to get open. Our team last year as a whole, did not do any of those things well on a consistent basis. They never put it all together, even with our deep WR core we just couldn't get the ball to them enough.

With the additions through the draft this year, gives us or at least me some hope.. The importance of running the ball is key to protecting Aaron. The truth is in the butter, most of the sacks last year, I guarantee, because Aaron had no where to throw the ball to. Because every..single..team...played coverage. No Quarterback can play like this.
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#22 Posted : Friday, May 3, 2013 1:35:13 PM(UTC)
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This is 100% about Sherrod not being able to play.

Yeah, Campen sucks. But now Newhouse can slide over to the right and Bulaga will have Aaron's blind side.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
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Offline Gaycandybacon  
#23 Posted : Friday, May 3, 2013 1:43:41 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
This is 100% about Sherrod not being able to play.

Yeah, Campen sucks. But now Newhouse can slide over to the right and Bulaga will have Aaron's blind side.


Don't know why people are saying this.. He's gonna have every opportunity to compete at RT like he was going to at LT.
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#24 Posted : Friday, May 3, 2013 2:27:08 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Gaycandybacon Go to Quoted Post
Don't know why people are saying this.. He's gonna have every opportunity to compete at RT like he was going to at LT.


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#25 Posted : Friday, May 3, 2013 2:32:58 PM(UTC)
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RG - Josh Sittion was considered the Packers best OL. RT - Bryan Bulaga was considered the Packers second best OL. I know! Let's switch them!!
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Offline QCHuskerFan  
#26 Posted : Friday, May 3, 2013 2:42:27 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
He failed to develop prospect after prospect, yearly we see breakdown after breakdown in stunt pickups and reads.


Josh. Sitton. All Pro.
Brian Bulaga. All- Rookie team
Don Barclay, UDFA. Competent fill in starter for a short term stint.
To name a few.

Our starters in the 49er game were 5th rd, 4th rd, UDFA, 4th rd, UDFA. Not exactly star material.
The 49ers were 1st rd, 1st rd, 5th rd, UDFA, 1st rd. Which looks better?

Yes, our line play could be improved. So could our dline, LB, RB, TE, DB, etc. It is not accurate to say he fails to develop prospects. He does. Josh Sitton did not become an All Pro by ignoring all coaching.

Before you get too down on Campen, come out of the snow bank and look at the Bears. Now their line sucks and has for years.
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#27 Posted : Friday, May 3, 2013 2:46:59 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: QCHuskerFan Go to Quoted Post

Before you get too down on Campen, come out of the snow bank and look at the Bears. Now their line sucks and has for years.


isn't that because they use draft picks on crap QBs and other 'play makers'?
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#28 Posted : Friday, May 3, 2013 2:49:11 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Dulak Go to Quoted Post
isn't that because they use draft picks on crap QBs and other 'play makers'?


Nah. It's because they're the Bears and they just suck. They will always suck. Even when they win games, they suck.
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#29 Posted : Friday, May 3, 2013 2:59:13 PM(UTC)
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Bulaga I get,

why Sitton?


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Offline play2win  
#30 Posted : Friday, May 3, 2013 3:45:13 PM(UTC)
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Well, the rationale, take your 2 best OL and put them on Rodgers' blind side makes some sense. I like EDS. I like Lang. I did like Newhouse in 2011, and thought he disappointed last year.

I do think a rookie will challenge for a starting spot. If Sherrod makes it back, great.

Simply committing to the run will help this group. If your OL can literally tee off on the DL in run blocking, they will win out. Especially with these backs.
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