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Online play2win  
#16 Posted : Saturday, March 16, 2013 2:23:25 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: cheeseheads123 Go to Quoted Post
I don't think anyone saw the defense declining the way it did from 2010 to 2011.


After losing Cullen Jenkins to Free Agency? And then, Mike Neal to a knee injury before the season even started?
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#17 Posted : Saturday, March 16, 2013 2:43:18 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
After losing Cullen Jenkins to Free Agency? And then, Mike Neal to a knee injury before the season even started?

You don't expect to go from one of the best defenses in the league to one of the worsts by losing Cullen Jenkins
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#18 Posted : Saturday, March 16, 2013 3:14:27 PM(UTC)
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I did. I was SUPER concerned, before he even left, before the SB, when there was chatter about his impending FA and not getting a deal. To me, he was one of those guys a team could not lose.

We might have been just fine, had Neal not gotten hurt too.
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#19 Posted : Saturday, March 16, 2013 3:33:25 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
Well, I meant "of late."

I do believe we all were hoping for a solid run of SBs after our win in the 2010 season. We needed some players on our D to help us get there, especially front 7, and it didn't happen. Did it?

Have we improved since winning SB XLV? Or, have we digressed?


Digressed huh? hahahaha. I would suggest we haven't even REgressed. An inspired finish by a team not expected to go to/win the Super Bowl, followed by 15-1, followed by an injury-plagued 11-5 with a playoff loss to a 49er team playing out of their minds who then proceded come back down to earth against Atlanta and Baltimore.

I hate defending Ted Thompson. I got fried in the other forum for suggesting he was not quite a "great GM". Most of the original post of this thread is valid. Yet we still have a great team, possibly the best in the league. If Sherrod and Perry and Bishop come back and play as they were expected to play, then things will be fine. Thompson in fact has upgraded RB, WR, CB, and arguably OT and OLB if Sherrod and Perry do the job. Safety also we may already have the pieces in place. Center also, the jury is still out, but EDS may well be a long term solution. That basically leaves the D Line, and hopefully that is addressed in the first round this year.

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#20 Posted : Saturday, March 16, 2013 4:20:40 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker Go to Quoted Post
Digressed huh? hahahaha. I would suggest we haven't even REgressed. An inspired finish by a team not expected to go to/win the Super Bowl, followed by 15-1, followed by an injury-plagued 11-5 with a playoff loss to a 49er team playing out of their minds who then proceded come back down to earth against Atlanta and Baltimore.

I hate defending Ted Thompson. I got fried in the other forum for suggesting he was not quite a "great GM". Most of the original post of this thread is valid. Yet we still have a great team, possibly the best in the league. If Sherrod and Perry and Bishop come back and play as they were expected to play, then things will be fine. Thompson in fact has upgraded RB, WR, CB, and arguably OT and OLB if Sherrod and Perry do the job. Safety also we may already have the pieces in place. Center also, the jury is still out, but EDS may well be a long term solution. That basically leaves the D Line, and hopefully that is addressed in the first round this year.



Regressed. Yes. And we did. If you couldn't see that amidst our 15-1 run ending in a loss at home in the playoffs to the NYG, breaking records, NFL records for all-time defensive futility in 2011, well...

Lets add into the equation other defenses took most of that season to figure our offense out, and our own staff failed to adjust since. I'd say this team has regressed overall. Our defense improved greatly in 2012, in some respects, and got worse in others. Sacks & INTs improved, as did a drop in explosive plays via the pass. But, our run D set NFL records for futility.

Regardless, I agree with you that we are not too far away from being a good team again. It's weird. We are in a spot with some big unknowns that could factor in to our benefit, if some of these players return healthy. Perry, Bishop, House, Williams, Bulaga, Benson. I don't hold out much hope for DJ Smith, Worthy or Sherrod. But Quarless could help, Jordy could stand a fully healthy year.

Get some players back healthy, add 3 or 4 who really contribute via the draft, and we can compete. I would add, change the toughness mindset with some better coaching and play calling, and we could be back in this thing.

I appreciate your take and I agree with you quite a bit.
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#21 Posted : Saturday, March 16, 2013 5:17:30 PM(UTC)
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It will be cool getting 4 first round picks this year that weren't on the team that was in the playoffs last year. That should give a decent boost.
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#22 Posted : Saturday, March 16, 2013 7:16:02 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steveishere Go to Quoted Post
It will be cool getting 4 first round picks this year that weren't on the team that was in the playoffs last year. That should give a decent boost.


Sherrod, Perry, the new first rounder, and who else?

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#23 Posted : Saturday, March 16, 2013 7:18:04 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker Go to Quoted Post
Sherrod, Perry, the new first rounder, and who else?



Oh yeah, Bulaga - answered my own question

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#24 Posted : Saturday, March 16, 2013 7:25:36 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steveishere Go to Quoted Post
It will be cool getting 4 first round picks this year that weren't on the team that was in the playoffs last year. That should give a decent boost.


So, you think players that couldn't make it a full season, are going to help this upcoming season? Flapper
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#25 Posted : Saturday, March 16, 2013 7:41:08 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steveishere Go to Quoted Post
It will be cool getting 4 first round picks this year that weren't on the team that was in the playoffs last year. That should give a decent boost.
Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker Go to Quoted Post
Sherrod, Perry, the new first rounder, and who else?
Sherrod, Perry, Bulaga and whom ever they pick this year (if they don't trade out of the 1st round)

I think the Packers NEED to upgrade the DL.

Depending how bad Worthy's knee got hurt, he might miss most or all of the season.

Love Raji's potential but he's not getting it done and struggles run clogging (which you want out of a NT) and he doesn't have the arm reach you would look for to put at 3-4 DE. And then because he's not excited about all the run clogging, he then get down with his pass rushing. This might sound odd, but I think losing Jenkins took some of the excitement out of the game for Raji and someone on the DL for him to compete with and push him. That or he just doesn't seem like the same guy in the pass rush he used to be.

Pickett is great at run clogging, but struggles in pass rush.

Wilson and Neal have their moments, but other than flashing potential here and there seem like back-ups to me.

Too early for Worthy and Daniels, thought Worthy has look good against the run, not so much pass rushing. Daniels has flashed at times, despite being a little bit limited to do his smaller size, the kid is VERY scrappy and hard worker.

I thought Daniels looked like the Packers 2nd best DL against 49ers, mainly because other than Pickett and Daniels the rest looked like they were getting their butt kicked badly. Pickett and Daniels didn't do great but seemed to hold their own and I enjoyed Daniels vs their RT battle.
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#26 Posted : Sunday, March 17, 2013 4:55:35 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
So, you think players that couldn't make it a full season, are going to help this upcoming season? Flapper


I suppose the other option is to write them off and cut their worthless behinds since they got injured. They are guys you counted on when they were drafted why wouldn't you count on them again? Oh yeah, it's because they got hurt. No one ever comes back from injuries. It's a good thing the vikings didn't count on AP last year and went out and drafted another RB. It's a good thing the Broncos didn't count on Peyton Manning. I'm not saying any of our guys will have the impact that Manning and Peterson had but like I said, why wouldn't you count on them to make a contribution after their injuries unless you were not counting on them making a contribution before the injury.
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#27 Posted : Sunday, March 17, 2013 6:24:42 AM(UTC)
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beast,

I like that Daniels kid too. He seems to get the job done, and our D seems lifted a bit when he is in. He's not a huge guy, but he has a motor. Seems pretty tenacious. That is the kind of stuff that rubs off on your surrounding players. Maybe he turns into one of those guys who makes the others around him better.
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