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Offline Formo  
#16 Posted : Sunday, July 7, 2013 7:28:57 PM(UTC)
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I won't be in Maple Grove, but you're still a dumbass.



Ok, this made me lol.
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#17 Posted : Sunday, July 7, 2013 7:29:56 PM(UTC)
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You're a dumbass! BTW, I'll be in Maple Grove Saturday night and part of Sunday. You can take me out for breakfast. PM me your info.


Way to give me notice. I was in Hell (aka Wisconsin) this weekend at my wife's family reunion in Beaver Dam. You have the absolutely WORST timing.
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#18 Posted : Sunday, July 7, 2013 7:54:55 PM(UTC)
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Listen.

We are all animals. Look at the Warsaw ghetto, the things people did to survive in places like Auschwitz and the other camps.

Please. You don't know how you would react if your freedoms were taken from you.

History indicates most would try and just survive under the circumstances presented to them.

Go ahead and say you would die before giving up your freedoms- it's not a bad thing to say- but I'm not feelin' it, cursed with having run with the animals.

Most cave like an old tent in a tornado if it actually came down to their own existence, given those choices.

We go to war over this. Sometimes the REMFS don't know it, but the folks on the ground in the places you sent us to...

Do.

They made the choice to live vs. freedom long before I got there, otherwise, by the time I got there, they would already be dead.

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#19 Posted : Monday, July 8, 2013 4:59:37 AM(UTC)
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Please. You don't know how you would react if your freedoms were taken from you.


This line reminds me of people who believe everything of note is bled with conspiracy.

Every now and then I watch documentaries of other countries and have the girls watch it with me. They have the same questions as they do when watching movies that take place in other countries. "That's not real, right daddy?" They are surprised how little people can do and they were visibly disturbed watching a documentary on North Korea.

Afterwards I usually chime in with something similar to "Glad to be an American, huh?". Every time, it's a sharp nod indicating yes. And then I tell them that just because we have it better than most, doesn't mean we have to be okay with getting screwed over.

I prefer more freedom than safety. If we educate properly, I think we will be more safe than the government sanctions/rules/whatever could make us.

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#20 Posted : Monday, July 8, 2013 6:35:39 AM(UTC)
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Okay, okay, okay....

I believe that if given a choice between being a serf and being dead, I'd choose death. But unless/until confronted with the actual choice, I can't know for sure what I'd choose.

Better.

p.s. Was the following hyperbole or just sad?

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#21 Posted : Monday, July 8, 2013 6:43:00 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
This line reminds me of people who believe everything of note is bled with conspiracy.

Every now and then I watch documentaries of other countries and have the girls watch it with me. They have the same questions as they do when watching movies that take place in other countries. "That's not real, right daddy?" They are surprised how little people can do and they were visibly disturbed watching a documentary on North Korea.

Afterwards I usually chime in with something similar to "Glad to be an American, huh?". Every time, it's a sharp nod indicating yes. And then I tell them that just because we have it better than most, doesn't mean we have to be okay with getting screwed over.

I prefer more freedom than safety. If we educate properly, I think we will be more safe than the government sanctions/rules/whatever could make us.


Nice. It sounds like you are doing a great job, and you have instilled love of America and Freedom in particular.

Your last paragraph, though, kinda negates all of that - potentially anyway, because it could all be gone in the blink of an eye, and there's not a thing you could do about it - if some kind of terrorist act occurred. Far fetched? Thankfully yes, but NOT impossible, especially if we let our guard down. The relevant question is: Exactly what freedoms that we cherish so much are we giving up or even lessening in order to protect the ones we love? My answer is virtually none - nothing - and I have challenged all of you who say "freedom first" to say what you think you would have to give up to have the Patriot Act, the TSA, whatever other little nuisances are there to protect us, and NOBODY has been able to cite anything! Oh yeah, a few lines, potentially some unwanted touching - that really ain't gonna happen in your wildest nightmares, etc. - a terrorist bomb in the airport is literally more likely than that.

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#22 Posted : Monday, July 8, 2013 7:15:28 AM(UTC)
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I thought I would have issues with people snooping threw my emails, or phone calls, or what have you, but I really couldn't seem to careless. It's not as if those whom are stifling through actually know me on a daily basis for anything I say to be used against me in any shape or form.

I do worry it might get out of hand, like that boy who said something about shooting kids on Facebook and now he's in jail. Granted, I don't know all of the details so I'm quite ignorant on the topic, but I don't feel saying some words followed with "lol jk" merits jail time.

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#23 Posted : Monday, July 8, 2013 7:42:09 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
I thought I would have issues with people snooping threw my emails, or phone calls, or what have you, but I really couldn't seem to careless. It's not as if those whom are stifling through actually know me on a daily basis for anything I say to be used against me in any shape or form.

I do worry it might get out of hand, like that boy who said something about shooting kids on Facebook and now he's in jail. Granted, I don't know all of the details so I'm quite ignorant on the topic, but I don't feel saying some words followed with "lol jk" merits jail time.


If I was the Red Chinese (ooooh I hope they don't read this hahahaha), I'd flood email addresses with a hundred times more SPAM than now - maybe a thousand times more, until the NSA had to fill up the whole state of Utah with computer storage.



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#24 Posted : Monday, July 8, 2013 12:56:35 PM(UTC)
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If I was the Red Chinese (ooooh I hope they don't read this hahahaha), I'd flood email addresses with a hundred times more SPAM than now - maybe a thousand times more, until the NSA had to fill up the whole state of Utah with computer storage.


If I were the Chinese I would hack it enough to let the guys who run it download porn and they will fill up the servers without anyone's help and do it MUCH faster than any email spam would.

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#25 Posted : Monday, July 8, 2013 3:02:33 PM(UTC)
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If I was the Red Chinese (ooooh I hope they don't read this hahahaha), I'd flood email addresses with a hundred times more SPAM than now - maybe a thousand times more, until the NSA had to fill up the whole state of Utah with computer storage.





Haven't you heard? Utah's full up. The Feds have had to start storing them in another state. Being the Feds, they chose Rhode Island.

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