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Offline Dexter_Sinister  
#16 Posted : Tuesday, June 18, 2013 8:26:15 PM(UTC)
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As long as the Lions have Sterling Sharpe syndrome, they will never be better than mediocre.

It isn't their D. It is their head coach.

Having a great WR doesn't help a team with no depth.
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Offline Dexter_Sinister  
#17 Posted : Tuesday, June 18, 2013 8:54:08 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: dhazer Go to Quoted Post
Lets see Vikings made the playoffs last year with a high school qb. They add players to help them this year but yet people say they suck. I am lost if they are saying this because of the green and gold glasses or is it a joke? But yet the Packer lose players and we are the best team ever? We still don't have a defense and we lose 2 wrs.


I'm so lost with people on here.


I think you are just lost.

They lost 2 WRs? Well, maybe technically. Both were less than 10% of the Packers WR targets and Rodgers still was able to put up the 14th highest single season passer rating in NFL history. I don't think they will be missed. They also added 2 draft pick and a couple of FA WRs.

Having any healthy running backs the whole year will be a massive improvement.

Woodson missed half the year and the passing D was still top 4 in passer rating allowed. They won't miss him. Heyward was better in the slot anyway.

Crabtree was 4 TDs in 3 years. I don't think he was better than Quarless.

The Packers actually added about 35 players including 12 draft picks.

Just because they were not on ESPNs free agent watch list, it doesn't mean they aren't actually better than the guys the Bears and Vikings picked up.
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Offline DakotaT  
#18 Posted : Wednesday, June 19, 2013 2:32:03 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: dhazer Go to Quoted Post
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I think the NFC north is going to be the best division in football this year. And yes Kevin that means Detroit will be a force. If they can actually have their defense keep its cool and grow up.



How do you figure this? There is only one legitimate playoff team in our division. The other three have major holes. The Vikings won't be playoff a last place schedule this season either. And their defense is going into the season without a NFL caliber middle linebacker, a DE coming off a knee injury, and an aging DT playing his last season in purple.

The Bears will be bad and the Lions never seem to be able to stop shooting themselves in their own ass. Back to the drawing board for you Hazr.

Atlanta, Green Bay, San Francisco, and the Giants will win their divisions: leaving two wild card teams in Seattle and Washington/New Orleans. How Hazr is the NFC North a better division than the East or West?
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Offline Zero2Cool  
#19 Posted : Wednesday, June 19, 2013 5:00:02 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: dhazer Go to Quoted Post
Thank you for the clarification Applause

I think the NFC north is going to be the best division in football this year. And yes Kevin that means Detroit will be a force. If they can actually have their defense keep its cool and grow up.


I am stoked for some football and I am so glad I get Sunday Ticket for free this year. If you get time before the season starts Kevin we can setup you know what for all the games :)


Hey for you buddy, anytime! :) I am with you on the NFC North being a very solid division, probably the second most difficult to win in the NFL. I think Detroit will win a few games people expect them to lose, same with the Vikings. The Bears could surprise some. I'm a little worried with not hearing anything about them. Kinda like your kids, when they quiet, you get nervous, lol.

I'm back in Green Bay (as of Jan 2012, thanks for paying attention) so we already get all the games for your know what. :P

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Offline nerdmann  
#20 Posted : Wednesday, June 19, 2013 12:44:14 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
How do you figure this? There is only one legitimate playoff team in our division. The other three have major holes. The Vikings won't be playoff a last place schedule this season either. And their defense is going into the season without a NFL caliber middle linebacker, a DE coming off a knee injury, and an aging DT playing his last season in purple.

The Bears will be bad and the Lions never seem to be able to stop shooting themselves in their own ass. Back to the drawing board for you Hazr.

Atlanta, Green Bay, San Francisco, and the Giants will win their divisions: leaving two wild card teams in Seattle and Washington/New Orleans. How Hazr is the NFC North a better division than the East or West?


Not having Lovey Smith in the division anymore feels great. The Bares are blowing it up and starting all over.

The Queens have a good defensive HC, in an offense-based league. And shit for QBs.

Detoilet has been exposed. We all thought their coach was for real, turns out he wasn't.
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Offline buckeyepackfan  
#21 Posted : Wednesday, June 19, 2013 3:02:12 PM(UTC)
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ESPN reporting Bishop will visit with K.C tomorrow.

“"The preparation week is where you make your hay,You have to win the week first. That’s where a lot of the wins and losses come. It’s how you approach the week leading up to the game."
Offline dhazer  
#22 Posted : Wednesday, June 19, 2013 7:03:11 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
Hey for you buddy, anytime! :) I am with you on the NFC North being a very solid division, probably the second most difficult to win in the NFL. I think Detroit will win a few games people expect them to lose, same with the Vikings. The Bears could surprise some. I'm a little worried with not hearing anything about them. Kinda like your kids, when they quiet, you get nervous, lol.

I'm back in Green Bay (as of Jan 2012, thanks for paying attention) so we already get all the games for your know what. :P



Detroit added a starting caliber RB thus we forget and like I said if their defense stops being stupid they will be strong. And for the person saying minnesota don't have a mlb and a DE cmon please like we have any of them? Our defense is just plain bad as it has been except for one year since Capers took over. Sure we drafted RB's but when did we get an o-line that can block?

BTW Kevin I was referring to the Monday and Thursday games for others.

I think we will sneak by and win the division but it wouldn't surprise me if one of the others beat us out.
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#23 Posted : Wednesday, June 19, 2013 7:22:09 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: dhazer Go to Quoted Post
Detroit added a starting caliber RB thus we forget and like I said if their defense stops being stupid they will be strong. And for the person saying minnesota don't have a mlb and a DE cmon please like we have any of them? Our defense is just plain bad as it has been except for one year since Capers took over. Sure we drafted RB's but when did we get an o-line that can block?

BTW Kevin I was referring to the Monday and Thursday games for others.

I think we will sneak by and win the division but it wouldn't surprise me if one of the others beat us out.


Who is forgetting about Reggie Bush? Does he add a solid dimension to their Megatron focused offense? Yes.

I think they will be solid opponents, as is every divisional game ... I just don't put NFC North better than NFC West. Can't do it. Won't do it.

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#24 Posted : Wednesday, June 19, 2013 8:03:35 PM(UTC)
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I'm not sure how I feel about our inside linebacker position outside of AJ Hawk. Brad Jones is decent, but I don't know if I really like him all that much as a starter. He didn't do too bad filling in last year. But who is behind him? Nobody that has proven themselves...
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#25 Posted : Thursday, June 20, 2013 8:37:56 AM(UTC)
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Let me go ahead and play a little Devil's advocate in this thread, because the optimism is getting way out of hand here.

Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister Go to Quoted Post
Must be you. Because I don't think so.

I like the opponents wasting roster spots for old washed up players and overpriced overrated FAs.

There is a reason the Bears have had 5 #1 Draft picks in the last 8 years. Wasting the few they have left on project guys and specialty role players. Like Long and McClellin.

Cutler is a mediocre QB with a big arm. He has a crappy rating over 10 yards. What good is a big arm if you can't hit the broad side of a barn. From the inside. He cost them 2 firsts and a huge cap hit. They could have used 1 to draft a mediocre QB and been ahead by a 1st round pick.

Marshall is inefficient. He cost them 2 thirds and a huge cap hit. He is 40% of their passing game. That is more than Jones and Cobb together are for the Packers. While Jones and Cobb put up 22 TDs, Marshall only put up 11.

Bert Facre didn't do much for the Vikings. In 2009, they had the 2nd easiest schedule in Viking history. In 2010, they had a tough schedule. When the real Facre showed up.

Greg is a great guy and a great player. I hope he does well and stays healthy. But it has been years since he has.
I hope that Bishop goes to the Vikings. We could use another slow defender in coverage for our offense to face.

As far as the Vikings draft picks, I think they were 2 for 3. They wasted a lot of picks for a project WR who runs crappy routes and has questionable hands. Fast, stupid and can't catch. Sounds like Hester.


The Bears' drafting has been awful the last few years and Long is a project, maybe even a reach at 20, but they had one of the best drafts in the league after that 1st rounder.

If Long does pan out, everyone will be calling them geniusses. Especially if guys like Bostic, Greene and Washington work out the way they should.

Cutler isn't a great QB, he's nowhere near the elite level, but I wouldn't call him mediocre, either. He's just a guy who needs a supporting cast. He's just like Palmer, not going to carry a team, but when you put the pieces in place, they produce.

Don't forget that it's not that long ago when people wondered whether Rodgers or Cutler was the superior QB.

Marshall was expensive, but how much would two 2nd rounders really net you? Certainly not something of equal talent. I agree that they have a lot of money tied up in players like Marshall and Peppers, but Marshall's an amazing receiver and superior to anyone who we have on the roster. That TD stat is nice, but that doesn't take into account his 118 catches and 1500 yards. Calvin Johnson had just 5 TDs, but that doesn't tell me anything by its own, really.

Favre did face a weak schedule with the Vikes that year, but he just played lights-out, as well. That game against the Saints wasn't against a weak team and the only reason they didn't won that, was because of Adrian "Butterfingers" Peterson. Favre threw a very, very bad pick at the end, but that would've been an easy win, had Peterson not fumbled 39 times in one game.

Greg was overpriced and overrated, but he is an improvement over anything they have and they will be more dangerous on offense for it.

I don't see how Cordarrelle Patterson would be a wasted pick. The guy had enough upside and talent to be a top 5 players, but he's raw. Taking a chance on him at 29 was a great choice. I wouldn't have minded if the Packers drafted him with their pick before that.

That said, I do think that the Packers are the team to beat, but the Bears, Vikes and Lions aren't as far behind as everyone here seems to think. Yes, they have holes, but so do we. There's not a single team in the league that doesn't have them. We'll see how it plays out, but we're not going to be running away with the division and I don't see us going 6-0 in the NFCN.
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#26 Posted : Thursday, June 20, 2013 10:38:19 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Rockmolder Go to Quoted Post
Let me go ahead and play a little Devil's advocate in this thread, because the optimism is getting way out of hand here.



The Bears' drafting has been awful the last few years and Long is a project, maybe even a reach at 20, but they had one of the best drafts in the league after that 1st rounder.

If Long does pan out, everyone will be calling them geniusses. Especially if guys like Bostic, Greene and Washington work out the way they should.

Cutler isn't a great QB, he's nowhere near the elite level, but I wouldn't call him mediocre, either. He's just a guy who needs a supporting cast. He's just like Palmer, not going to carry a team, but when you put the pieces in place, they produce.

Don't forget that it's not that long ago when people wondered whether Rodgers or Cutler was the superior QB.

Marshall was expensive, but how much would two 2nd rounders really net you? Certainly not something of equal talent. I agree that they have a lot of money tied up in players like Marshall and Peppers, but Marshall's an amazing receiver and superior to anyone who we have on the roster. That TD stat is nice, but that doesn't take into account his 118 catches and 1500 yards. Calvin Johnson had just 5 TDs, but that doesn't tell me anything by its own, really.

Favre did face a weak schedule with the Vikes that year, but he just played lights-out, as well. That game against the Saints wasn't against a weak team and the only reason they didn't won that, was because of Adrian "Butterfingers" Peterson. Favre threw a very, very bad pick at the end, but that would've been an easy win, had Peterson not fumbled 39 times in one game.

Greg was overpriced and overrated, but he is an improvement over anything they have and they will be more dangerous on offense for it.

I don't see how Cordarrelle Patterson would be a wasted pick. The guy had enough upside and talent to be a top 5 players, but he's raw. Taking a chance on him at 29 was a great choice. I wouldn't have minded if the Packers drafted him with their pick before that.

That said, I do think that the Packers are the team to beat, but the Bears, Vikes and Lions aren't as far behind as everyone here seems to think. Yes, they have holes, but so do we. There's not a single team in the league that doesn't have them. We'll see how it plays out, but we're not going to be running away with the division and I don't see us going 6-0 in the NFCN.


What will two 2nd rounders net you? Two starters or at the very least some quality depth. The factor most people don't consider is team depth. Sure, starting the season most teams look strong and maybe stronger than the previous year but the lineup by game 8 from game 1 is going to be very different.
Chicago screwed the pooch by not winning it all when they gave up all these picks to grab these guys that was supposed to carry the team. You start giving up #1's and 3's like that and your depth goes to hell.
Last years injury plague will be this years blessing as several guys were called on and got significant PT. Now some like Barclay and Moses among others may end up being backups again but they will be better than they were a year ago as well as the young DB's that were virtually thrown in the fire and responded, I thought, very well.
Adding Jones in and getting Perry back again means more depth there a well. I look forward to seeing Jones, Ragi, and Neal in there with Mathews blowing up from the outside. With outstanding depth at the CB position that carries over to the nickel packages I can see a defense that can avoid those three or four games that were a disaster last year.
It would be nice if for once we didn't lose important starters for the whole damn season. Injuries will happen, however, and I see the Packers withstanding that with the replacements in line because many will have had the opportunity in the past and will benefit from the experience.
Your either deep or your lucky. We got bounced by SF last year who had every OL starter for the entire season. Now that's not heard of and doesn't happen often. You can't bank on luck though and I think the Packers have it pretty well covered. The North as a whole may start out looking fairly even but I would say when reality sets in and guys go down and the IR list grows for all teams, IF the numbers are fairly equal, the Packers will prevail.





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#27 Posted : Thursday, June 20, 2013 11:02:56 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: warhawk Go to Quoted Post
What will two 2nd rounders net you? Two starters or at the very least some quality depth. The factor most people don't consider is team depth. Sure, starting the season most teams look strong and maybe stronger than the previous year but the lineup by game 8 from game 1 is going to be very different.
Chicago screwed the pooch by not winning it all when they gave up all these picks to grab these guys that was supposed to carry the team. You start giving up #1's and 3's like that and your depth goes to hell.
Last years injury plague will be this years blessing as several guys were called on and got significant PT. Now some like Barclay and Moses among others may end up being backups again but they will be better than they were a year ago as well as the young DB's that were virtually thrown in the fire and responded, I thought, very well.
Adding Jones in and getting Perry back again means more depth there a well. I look forward to seeing Jones, Ragi, and Neal in there with Mathews blowing up from the outside. With outstanding depth at the CB position that carries over to the nickel packages I can see a defense that can avoid those three or four games that were a disaster last year.
It would be nice if for once we didn't lose important starters for the whole damn season. Injuries will happen, however, and I see the Packers withstanding that with the replacements in line because many will have had the opportunity in the past and will benefit from the experience.
Your either deep or your lucky. We got bounced by SF last year who had every OL starter for the entire season. Now that's not heard of and doesn't happen often. You can't bank on luck though and I think the Packers have it pretty well covered. The North as a whole may start out looking fairly even but I would say when reality sets in and guys go down and the IR list grows for all teams, IF the numbers are fairly equal, the Packers will prevail.







Lovey Smith was making these trades to try to save his job for years. Julius Peppers, Jay Cutler, Brandon Marshall, etc.

Desperation moves that didn't pan out.
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#28 Posted : Thursday, June 20, 2013 11:09:24 AM(UTC)
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Lovey Smith was making these trades to try to save his job for years. Julius Peppers, Jay Cutler, Brandon Marshall, etc.

Desperation moves that didn't pan out.


What did they give up in trade for Julius Peppers and Brandon Marshall?


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#29 Posted : Thursday, June 20, 2013 11:18:10 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
What did they give up in trade for Julius Peppers and Brandon Marshall?



Fuck if I know, why were they free agents?

Point being, they were desperation moves. And they panned out as well as most desperation moves do.
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#30 Posted : Thursday, June 20, 2013 6:55:40 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Rockmolder Go to Quoted Post
Let me go ahead and play a little Devil's advocate in this thread, because the optimism is getting way out of hand here.



The Bears' drafting has been awful the last few years and Long is a project, maybe even a reach at 20, but they had one of the best drafts in the league after that 1st rounder.

If Long does pan out, everyone will be calling them geniusses. Especially if guys like Bostic, Greene and Washington work out the way they should.

Cutler isn't a great QB, he's nowhere near the elite level, but I wouldn't call him mediocre, either. He's just a guy who needs a supporting cast. He's just like Palmer, not going to carry a team, but when you put the pieces in place, they produce.

Don't forget that it's not that long ago when people wondered whether Rodgers or Cutler was the superior QB.

Marshall was expensive, but how much would two 2nd rounders really net you? Certainly not something of equal talent. I agree that they have a lot of money tied up in players like Marshall and Peppers, but Marshall's an amazing receiver and superior to anyone who we have on the roster. That TD stat is nice, but that doesn't take into account his 118 catches and 1500 yards. Calvin Johnson had just 5 TDs, but that doesn't tell me anything by its own, really.

Favre did face a weak schedule with the Vikes that year, but he just played lights-out, as well. That game against the Saints wasn't against a weak team and the only reason they didn't won that, was because of Adrian "Butterfingers" Peterson. Favre threw a very, very bad pick at the end, but that would've been an easy win, had Peterson not fumbled 39 times in one game.

Greg was overpriced and overrated, but he is an improvement over anything they have and they will be more dangerous on offense for it.

I don't see how Cordarrelle Patterson would be a wasted pick. The guy had enough upside and talent to be a top 5 players, but he's raw. Taking a chance on him at 29 was a great choice. I wouldn't have minded if the Packers drafted him with their pick before that.

That said, I do think that the Packers are the team to beat, but the Bears, Vikes and Lions aren't as far behind as everyone here seems to think. Yes, they have holes, but so do we. There's not a single team in the league that doesn't have them. We'll see how it plays out, but we're not going to be running away with the division and I don't see us going 6-0 in the NFCN.


I have thought Cutler was a million dollar arm and a 10 cent head since he was in Denver. I said Rodgers had the potential to be best ever in '07. I have alwasy thought every one who said Cutler was great was wrong. His passer rating over 10 yards is horrible. He gets fooled and can't recover. He just isn't very good and the hype didn't make him better than he is. So I really don't care what people have though of him.

Marshall is exceptionally over rated. Probably the 40th best WR in the league if you go by per catch. He was 40% of the Bears passing offense. More than Jones and Cobb were together. Brandon only scored 11 TDs. Jones and Cobb scored 22. We have 3 WRs that out produce Marshall per catch. It is better to spread it around than to have a guy like Marshall getting 200 targets. If any of our WRs got 200 targets, they would break records. The difference is, Johnson averaged over 10 a year before last year. Marshall averaged about 6 while getting the same number of targets.

If I were the Bears, I would be most concerned about the Pass D without Urlacher. Specially against Rodgers.

They ranked Patterson for his running ability. Not his pass catching. He is a body catcher who runs bad routes. It hasn't worked for Hester. He may be a better return guy than WR. Project guys are not bad. First round project guys are a lot invested in a gamble. Specially for the number of draft picks they gave up. When their biggest issue is depth.

Favre didn't play lights out. He played extremely conservative during their win streak. He started taking over more late in the year, when they went 2-3 going into the playoffs. Favre was really lucky on dropped INTs to help build the mystique. The SF game had one right before the miracle pass. Favre hit a DB right between the numbers and he dropped it. Next play, game winner.

They really only played one healthy team over .500 and got smoked. The Packers were down to 5th string CBs. The Bengals had collapsed and were nothing like they were earlier in the year.

Peterson had 0 turnovers and Favre had 3. One of Peterson's fumbles was for a first down so it wasn't even a momentum breaker.
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