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Offline nerdmann  
#31 Posted : Monday, June 10, 2013 2:44:01 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: doddpower Go to Quoted Post
Kind of how the bye-week made such a difference the year before against the Giants? I don't see any way in which the Packers would have beaten the 49'ers last year. They were simply the better team, whether the Packers had another week of rest or not.

Regardless, I, and most others, would love to see more production out of the run game. Mike McCarthy gets away from it during critical moments at times, but I can sort of understand given the talent the the position he has been working with and Aaron Rodgers as QB. Now that he will hopefully have a decent backfield, I look forward to and expect him to be a more discipline play-caller.


We lost to them in Week 1, because we started Jarrett Bush at CB.

Plus we abandoned the run. Late in the year DuJuan was on a roll too.

I do not fear the Niners. I do believe they are for real. But so are we, at least talent level wise.
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#32 Posted : Monday, June 10, 2013 7:34:05 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister Go to Quoted Post
The assertion that they don't like to run the ball is a myth.

The only thing they needed to have a better running game was any healthy backs. Which they didn't really have.



Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister Go to Quoted Post
Seattle is also a fairly accomplished running D.


Oh, please. 1st half of the Seattle game we ran 30 offensive plays, 27 of them were passes. 1 running play in the first quarter (no gain), 2 running plays in the 2nd quarter (24 yds).

Our explosive, quick strike offense was shut out in the first half as we were losing 7-0 at half time.

McCarthy abandoned the run going into that game, not because we weren't having success running the ball but because it was his game plan. Fortunately, he adjusted at half time and in the second half, we ran the ball 18 times and outscored Seattle 12-0 (I refuse to count that last score). Not that we won because of the running per se, but because running the ball kept the Seattle DL from being able to pin their ears back and just go after AR, which made our passing game more effective.

He did the same thing in the second half of the SF playoff game last year. We ran 4 times in the second half (on the first two series), never ran it again the entire rest of the game. And it's not like we were well down and needed to just pass-pass-pass to catch up--SF had just scored to take the lead when we abandoned the run. What made it more frustrating was we had run the ball effectively in the first & second half, including DuJuan Harris' 18 yard TD run in the first half.

We could run the ball, we just decided to abandon the run. That's not a myth.

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#33 Posted : Monday, June 10, 2013 9:04:34 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: macbob Go to Quoted Post
Oh, please. 1st half of the Seattle game we ran 30 offensive plays, 27 of them were passes. 1 running play in the first quarter (no gain), 2 running plays in the 2nd quarter (24 yds).

Our explosive, quick strike offense was shut out in the first half as we were losing 7-0 at half time.

McCarthy abandoned the run going into that game, not because we weren't having success running the ball but because it was his game plan. Fortunately, he adjusted at half time and in the second half, we ran the ball 18 times and outscored Seattle 12-0 (I refuse to count that last score). Not that we won because of the running per se, but because running the ball kept the Seattle DL from being able to pin their ears back and just go after AR, which made our passing game more effective.

He did the same thing in the second half of the SF playoff game last year. We ran 4 times in the second half (on the first two series), never ran it again the entire rest of the game. And it's not like we were well down and needed to just pass-pass-pass to catch up--SF had just scored to take the lead when we abandoned the run. What made it more frustrating was we had run the ball effectively in the first & second half, including DuJuan Harris' 18 yard TD run in the first half.

We could run the ball, we just decided to abandon the run. That's not a myth.



But in fairness, they racked up some pretty decent stats.
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#34 Posted : Monday, June 10, 2013 9:38:15 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: macbob Go to Quoted Post
Oh, please. 1st half of the Seattle game we ran 30 offensive plays, 27 of them were passes. 1 running play in the first quarter (no gain), 2 running plays in the 2nd quarter (24 yds).

Our explosive, quick strike offense was shut out in the first half as we were losing 7-0 at half time.

McCarthy abandoned the run going into that game, not because we weren't having success running the ball but because it was his game plan. Fortunately, he adjusted at half time and in the second half, we ran the ball 18 times and outscored Seattle 12-0 (I refuse to count that last score). Not that we won because of the running per se, but because running the ball kept the Seattle DL from being able to pin their ears back and just go after AR, which made our passing game more effective.

He did the same thing in the second half of the SF playoff game last year. We ran 4 times in the second half (on the first two series), never ran it again the entire rest of the game. And it's not like we were well down and needed to just pass-pass-pass to catch up--SF had just scored to take the lead when we abandoned the run. What made it more frustrating was we had run the ball effectively in the first & second half, including DuJuan Harris' 18 yard TD run in the first half.

We could run the ball, we just decided to abandon the run. That's not a myth.



Who abandoned the run? Who decided to not run the ball?
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#35 Posted : Tuesday, June 11, 2013 7:13:45 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister Go to Quoted Post
Who abandoned the run? Who decided to not run the ball?


Ultimately, I would say that is on McCarthy. He runs everything on that O. It all goes through him. And if it is not what he wants, it is his charge to change it.

I know you are asking if it might be Rodgers checking to pass in run/pass option plays. McCarthy must have a handle on that stuff.
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#36 Posted : Tuesday, June 11, 2013 12:40:55 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
We lost to them in Week 1, because we started Jarrett Bush at CB.

Plus we abandoned the run. Late in the year DuJuan was on a roll too.

I do not fear the Niners. I do believe they are for real. But so are we, at least talent level wise.


Oh I think the Packers can beat the 49'ers, especially when somewhat healthy. But not in the playoffs last year. At that point, they were the better team in most every way. Fortunately for the Packers, every season is a new story.

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#37 Posted : Tuesday, June 11, 2013 3:53:59 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister Go to Quoted Post
Who abandoned the run? Who decided to not run the ball?


McCarthy in the first half of the Seattle game. He scripts the first 15 or so plays. That's 100% on him.

And my bet is primarily McCarthy in the SF game, too, though Aaron Rodgers undoubtedly audibled out of some runs, too. The formations we came out in were almost exclusively shotgun (both 1st half of Seattle game and 2nd half of SF game). The 4 runs in the second half of the SF game were all draws out of the shotgun.

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#38 Posted : Tuesday, June 11, 2013 6:30:10 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: macbob Go to Quoted Post
McCarthy in the first half of the Seattle game. He scripts the first 15 or so plays. That's 100% on him.

And my bet is primarily McCarthy in the SF game, too, though Aaron Rodgers undoubtedly audibled out of some runs, too. The formations we came out in were almost exclusively shotgun (both 1st half of Seattle game and 2nd half of SF game). The 4 runs in the second half of the SF game were all draws out of the shotgun.



Do you know what the play calls actually were?

The majority of McCartheys plays are RUN/PASS options. The plays direction is in Rodgers hands a great deal.

He makes the read and decides to run or throw based on how he feels he can best exploit the D.

Our first drive against the 49ers we had 3 runs for 6 yards. The next 3 rushes produced 6 more.

Do you really think we could have beat them sticking with that running game?
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#39 Posted : Tuesday, June 11, 2013 6:38:11 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
Ultimately, I would say that is on McCarthy. He runs everything on that O. It all goes through him. And if it is not what he wants, it is his charge to change it.

I know you are asking if it might be Rodgers checking to pass in run/pass option plays. McCarthy must have a handle on that stuff.


McCarthey leaves that to the QB.

Specially Rodgers.

In post game PCs, McCarthey has said that he would have preferred to have run more, but he left it in Rodgers hands. That was a couple years ago.

I doubt he has suddenly started trusting Rodgers less and micro managing him more.

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#40 Posted : Wednesday, June 12, 2013 7:16:21 AM(UTC)
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This is all such horse hockey. Just run the damn ball...

Finally, we have the RBs to take our running game to levels we may not have seen in GB since Taylor & Hornung. If your QB is checking out to much in order to pass, and getting himself in trouble, the HC can pull him aside, or get in his ear and adjust accordingly. As a matter of fact, McCarthy has an obligation as HC to do so. Ball control will keep Kaepernick off the filed. It is that simple. Fundamental football.
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#41 Posted : Wednesday, June 12, 2013 8:52:50 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister Go to Quoted Post
McCarthey leaves that to the QB.

Specially Rodgers.

In post game PCs, McCarthey has said that he would have preferred to have run more, but he left it in Rodgers hands. That was a couple years ago.

I doubt he has suddenly started trusting Rodgers less and micro managing him more.



I get what you're saying, but ultimately, it's Mike McCarthy's responsibility. If Rodgers is not running the ball enough, than McCarthy needs to change that. He's the head coach, not Rodgers. He has to manufacture a run game. I don't mind so much last season when the Packers didn't have much talent at running back and was playing a stout defense, but that should not be the case this year. Rodgers is an elite passer. I have no doubt he would rather pass the vast majority of the time rather than run. He needs some check-and-balance from his head coach if he is, in fact, going with the pass option calls too often. Considering the amount of sub-packages (nickel/dime) the Packers face, there's no doubt in my mind they could run more, at times.

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#42 Posted : Wednesday, June 12, 2013 11:04:51 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
This is all such horse hockey. Just run the damn ball...

Finally, we have the RBs to take our running game to levels we may not have seen in GB since Taylor & Hornung. If your QB is checking out to much in order to pass, and getting himself in trouble, the HC can pull him aside, or get in his ear and adjust accordingly. As a matter of fact, McCarthy has an obligation as HC to do so. Ball control will keep Kaepernick off the filed. It is that simple. Fundamental football.


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#43 Posted : Wednesday, June 12, 2013 11:19:16 AM(UTC)
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Bet you a dollar it doesn't happen.


YOU ARE ON BRO! Laughing
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#44 Posted : Wednesday, June 12, 2013 7:42:25 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: doddpower Go to Quoted Post
I get what you're saying, but ultimately, it's Mike McCarthy's responsibility. If Rodgers is not running the ball enough, than McCarthy needs to change that. He's the head coach, not Rodgers. He has to manufacture a run game. I don't mind so much last season when the Packers didn't have much talent at running back and was playing a stout defense, but that should not be the case this year. Rodgers is an elite passer. I have no doubt he would rather pass the vast majority of the time rather than run. He needs some check-and-balance from his head coach if he is, in fact, going with the pass option calls too often. Considering the amount of sub-packages (nickel/dime) the Packers face, there's no doubt in my mind they could run more, at times.



In the SF game, they started running the ball, but Benson was a dog and we had nobody else.

In the Seattle game, I am pretty sure that McCarthey addressed it at half time. Rogers did hand it off a bit more.

But they still didn't have much for a RB.

They actually ran a lot at the end of the year. Because it was working and Harris was getting yards.

I don't think they need to run more. They need to run better. When they know you have to run it, you need to be able to hand it off and grind out some tough yards.

Having actual running backs will be a start.

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#45 Posted : Wednesday, June 12, 2013 7:44:46 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
Bet you a dollar it doesn't happen.


I doubt they run more.

But I don't doubt they will run better.
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